Jan 15, 2024 · 44m · my-first-million

We Got Drunk And Came Up With 8 Business Ideas (#540)

Shaan Puri · 24m spoken Sam Parr · 12m spoken
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In this special brainstorming episode of My First Million, Sean Puri and Sam Parr pitch eight unconventional business concepts ranging from prison-themed wellness retreats and AI litigation arbitrage to direct-mail subscriptions and gamified coffee shop checkouts.

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The hosts as informed peer 5.1 Guest teaching 2.5 Guest disagreement 1.6 The hosts pushing back 2.4
05100:0015:0030:000:02–3:11 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 The Annual Drunk Business Ideas Tradition Shaan and Sam introduce their annual 'Drunk Ideas' tradition over cans of Liquid Death. They playfully banter about previous pitches, noting how Liquid Death went from an ostensibly silly concept to preparing for an IPO.3:11–9:36 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 HubSpot and Hampton Community Ad Break Following an ad read for Hampton, Shaan pitches 'Habit Island'—a prison-based wellness retreat enforcing healthy habits without distraction. Sam connects the concept to silent retreats in Bali and reframes it favorably as an adult fat camp.9:37–16:29 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Capitalizing on AI Personas and Male Influencers Sam pitches creating AI personas for male audiences ('Fake Tate' and 'Fake Hormozi') after analyzing female AI influencers like Caryn Marjorie and Emily Pellegrini. Both cite detailed follower numbers, agency dynamics, and monetization strategies.16:31–20:56 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 The Automated AI Copyright Lawsuit Venture Shaan recounts his e-commerce brand getting hit with an automated ADA compliance lawsuit, proposing an arbitrage scheme that threatens AI startups with automated copyright infringement claims over training data.20:56–29:10 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Better Than Google: Mommy Community Search Engine Shaan breaks down Stanley's revenue explosion from $70M to $750M driven by Utah mommy bloggers, using it to pitch 'Better Than Google'—a niche vertical recommendation engine for mothers. Sam heavily validates the branding and concept.29:11–33:28 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 The Sean Box: Analog Physical Newsletter Subscriptions Sam pitches 'The Sean Box', a physical direct-mail newsletter modeled after Neville Medhora's swipe file boxes and Agora's print empire. Shaan pushes back on taking the analog gimmick too far by requiring mailed physical paper checks.33:29–38:52 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 Gut Shots: Non-Alcoholic Wellness Bar Rituals Shaan pitches 'Gut Shots'—nasty-tasting turmeric/ginger wellness shots designed to recreate bar bonding rituals for non-drinkers. Sam aggressively rejects the premise, labeling it stupid and reducing it to putting a juice bar inside a nightclub.38:53–41:21 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Divorce Island: Post-Separation Dating and Recovery Resort Shaan outlines 'Divorce Island', a seasonal Sandals-meets-Y-Combinator recovery resort for recent divorcees. Sam jokingly calls out Shaan's recurring obsession with buying real estate like campuses, prisons, and islands before closing out the episode.0:02–3:11 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Annual Drunk Business Ideas Tradition Shaan and Sam introduce their annual 'Drunk Ideas' tradition over cans of Liquid Death. They playfully banter about previous pitches, noting how Liquid Death went from an ostensibly silly concept to preparing for an IPO.3:11–9:36 · Guest teaching 2/10 HubSpot and Hampton Community Ad Break Following an ad read for Hampton, Shaan pitches 'Habit Island'—a prison-based wellness retreat enforcing healthy habits without distraction. Sam connects the concept to silent retreats in Bali and reframes it favorably as an adult fat camp.9:37–16:29 · Guest teaching 3/10 Capitalizing on AI Personas and Male Influencers Sam pitches creating AI personas for male audiences ('Fake Tate' and 'Fake Hormozi') after analyzing female AI influencers like Caryn Marjorie and Emily Pellegrini. Both cite detailed follower numbers, agency dynamics, and monetization strategies.16:31–20:56 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Automated AI Copyright Lawsuit Venture Shaan recounts his e-commerce brand getting hit with an automated ADA compliance lawsuit, proposing an arbitrage scheme that threatens AI startups with automated copyright infringement claims over training data.20:56–29:10 · Guest teaching 3/10 Better Than Google: Mommy Community Search Engine Shaan breaks down Stanley's revenue explosion from $70M to $750M driven by Utah mommy bloggers, using it to pitch 'Better Than Google'—a niche vertical recommendation engine for mothers. Sam heavily validates the branding and concept.29:11–33:28 · Guest teaching 3/10 The Sean Box: Analog Physical Newsletter Subscriptions Sam pitches 'The Sean Box', a physical direct-mail newsletter modeled after Neville Medhora's swipe file boxes and Agora's print empire. Shaan pushes back on taking the analog gimmick too far by requiring mailed physical paper checks.33:29–38:52 · Guest teaching 3/10 Gut Shots: Non-Alcoholic Wellness Bar Rituals Shaan pitches 'Gut Shots'—nasty-tasting turmeric/ginger wellness shots designed to recreate bar bonding rituals for non-drinkers. Sam aggressively rejects the premise, labeling it stupid and reducing it to putting a juice bar inside a nightclub.38:53–41:21 · Guest teaching 2/10 Divorce Island: Post-Separation Dating and Recovery Resort Shaan outlines 'Divorce Island', a seasonal Sandals-meets-Y-Combinator recovery resort for recent divorcees. Sam jokingly calls out Shaan's recurring obsession with buying real estate like campuses, prisons, and islands before closing out the episode.0:02–3:11 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Annual Drunk Business Ideas Tradition Shaan and Sam introduce their annual 'Drunk Ideas' tradition over cans of Liquid Death. They playfully banter about previous pitches, noting how Liquid Death went from an ostensibly silly concept to preparing for an IPO.3:11–9:36 · Guest disagreement 1/10 HubSpot and Hampton Community Ad Break Following an ad read for Hampton, Shaan pitches 'Habit Island'—a prison-based wellness retreat enforcing healthy habits without distraction. Sam connects the concept to silent retreats in Bali and reframes it favorably as an adult fat camp.9:37–16:29 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Capitalizing on AI Personas and Male Influencers Sam pitches creating AI personas for male audiences ('Fake Tate' and 'Fake Hormozi') after analyzing female AI influencers like Caryn Marjorie and Emily Pellegrini. Both cite detailed follower numbers, agency dynamics, and monetization strategies.16:31–20:56 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Automated AI Copyright Lawsuit Venture Shaan recounts his e-commerce brand getting hit with an automated ADA compliance lawsuit, proposing an arbitrage scheme that threatens AI startups with automated copyright infringement claims over training data.20:56–29:10 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Better Than Google: Mommy Community Search Engine Shaan breaks down Stanley's revenue explosion from $70M to $750M driven by Utah mommy bloggers, using it to pitch 'Better Than Google'—a niche vertical recommendation engine for mothers. Sam heavily validates the branding and concept.29:11–33:28 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The Sean Box: Analog Physical Newsletter Subscriptions Sam pitches 'The Sean Box', a physical direct-mail newsletter modeled after Neville Medhora's swipe file boxes and Agora's print empire. Shaan pushes back on taking the analog gimmick too far by requiring mailed physical paper checks.33:29–38:52 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Gut Shots: Non-Alcoholic Wellness Bar Rituals Shaan pitches 'Gut Shots'—nasty-tasting turmeric/ginger wellness shots designed to recreate bar bonding rituals for non-drinkers. Sam aggressively rejects the premise, labeling it stupid and reducing it to putting a juice bar inside a nightclub.38:53–41:21 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Divorce Island: Post-Separation Dating and Recovery Resort Shaan outlines 'Divorce Island', a seasonal Sandals-meets-Y-Combinator recovery resort for recent divorcees. Sam jokingly calls out Shaan's recurring obsession with buying real estate like campuses, prisons, and islands before closing out the episode.0:02–3:11 · The hosts pushing back 2/10 The Annual Drunk Business Ideas Tradition Shaan and Sam introduce their annual 'Drunk Ideas' tradition over cans of Liquid Death. They playfully banter about previous pitches, noting how Liquid Death went from an ostensibly silly concept to preparing for an IPO.3:11–9:36 · The hosts pushing back 2/10 HubSpot and Hampton Community Ad Break Following an ad read for Hampton, Shaan pitches 'Habit Island'—a prison-based wellness retreat enforcing healthy habits without distraction. Sam connects the concept to silent retreats in Bali and reframes it favorably as an adult fat camp.9:37–16:29 · The hosts pushing back 2/10 Capitalizing on AI Personas and Male Influencers Sam pitches creating AI personas for male audiences ('Fake Tate' and 'Fake Hormozi') after analyzing female AI influencers like Caryn Marjorie and Emily Pellegrini. Both cite detailed follower numbers, agency dynamics, and monetization strategies.16:31–20:56 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 The Automated AI Copyright Lawsuit Venture Shaan recounts his e-commerce brand getting hit with an automated ADA compliance lawsuit, proposing an arbitrage scheme that threatens AI startups with automated copyright infringement claims over training data.20:56–29:10 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 Better Than Google: Mommy Community Search Engine Shaan breaks down Stanley's revenue explosion from $70M to $750M driven by Utah mommy bloggers, using it to pitch 'Better Than Google'—a niche vertical recommendation engine for mothers. Sam heavily validates the branding and concept.29:11–33:28 · The hosts pushing back 3/10 The Sean Box: Analog Physical Newsletter Subscriptions Sam pitches 'The Sean Box', a physical direct-mail newsletter modeled after Neville Medhora's swipe file boxes and Agora's print empire. Shaan pushes back on taking the analog gimmick too far by requiring mailed physical paper checks.33:29–38:52 · The hosts pushing back 5/10 Gut Shots: Non-Alcoholic Wellness Bar Rituals Shaan pitches 'Gut Shots'—nasty-tasting turmeric/ginger wellness shots designed to recreate bar bonding rituals for non-drinkers. Sam aggressively rejects the premise, labeling it stupid and reducing it to putting a juice bar inside a nightclub.38:53–41:21 · The hosts pushing back 3/10 Divorce Island: Post-Separation Dating and Recovery Resort Shaan outlines 'Divorce Island', a seasonal Sandals-meets-Y-Combinator recovery resort for recent divorcees. Sam jokingly calls out Shaan's recurring obsession with buying real estate like campuses, prisons, and islands before closing out the episode.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 38:13 Direct dismissal of gut shots in bars

Sam forcefully rejects Shaan's non-alcoholic wellness ritual pitch, blunt in his assessment that putting a juice bar in a normal bar is a terrible concept.

Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 32:28 Pushing back on extreme analog friction

Shaan checks Sam's escalation of the analog physical newsletter gimmick, stating that forcing customers to mail physical checks is taking the idea one step too far.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 21:09 Explaining the Stanley cup pivot to pastel colors

Shaan details the exact grassroots marketing history of Stanley cups, explaining how Utah mommy bloggers transformed a utility thermos into a multi-hundred-million-dollar lifestyle product.

The host holds their own ▶ 37:15 Deconstructing consumer psychology behind non-alcoholic drinks

Shaan breaks down why non-alcoholic beer succeeds over mocktails by explaining how taste triggers nostalgic memories of past social experiences rather than intrinsic flavor preference.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
The Annual Drunk Business Ideas Tradition 4212 Shaan and Sam introduce their annual 'Drunk Ideas' tradition over cans of Liquid Death. They playfully banter about previous pitches, noting how Liquid Death went from an ostensibly silly concept to preparing for an IPO.
HubSpot and Hampton Community Ad Break 5212 Following an ad read for Hampton, Shaan pitches 'Habit Island'—a prison-based wellness retreat enforcing healthy habits without distraction. Sam connects the concept to silent retreats in Bali and reframes it favorably as an adult fat camp.
Capitalizing on AI Personas and Male Influencers 6312 Sam pitches creating AI personas for male audiences ('Fake Tate' and 'Fake Hormozi') after analyzing female AI influencers like Caryn Marjorie and Emily Pellegrini. Both cite detailed follower numbers, agency dynamics, and monetization strategies.
The Automated AI Copyright Lawsuit Venture 6211 Shaan recounts his e-commerce brand getting hit with an automated ADA compliance lawsuit, proposing an arbitrage scheme that threatens AI startups with automated copyright infringement claims over training data.
Better Than Google: Mommy Community Search Engine 6311 Shaan breaks down Stanley's revenue explosion from $70M to $750M driven by Utah mommy bloggers, using it to pitch 'Better Than Google'—a niche vertical recommendation engine for mothers. Sam heavily validates the branding and concept.
The Sean Box: Analog Physical Newsletter Subscriptions 5323 Sam pitches 'The Sean Box', a physical direct-mail newsletter modeled after Neville Medhora's swipe file boxes and Agora's print empire. Shaan pushes back on taking the analog gimmick too far by requiring mailed physical paper checks.
Gut Shots: Non-Alcoholic Wellness Bar Rituals 5345 Shaan pitches 'Gut Shots'—nasty-tasting turmeric/ginger wellness shots designed to recreate bar bonding rituals for non-drinkers. Sam aggressively rejects the premise, labeling it stupid and reducing it to putting a juice bar inside a nightclub.
Divorce Island: Post-Separation Dating and Recovery Resort 4223 Shaan outlines 'Divorce Island', a seasonal Sandals-meets-Y-Combinator recovery resort for recent divorcees. Sam jokingly calls out Shaan's recurring obsession with buying real estate like campuses, prisons, and islands before closing out the episode.

Statements from this episode (9)

Assertion Supported
Sam Parr: Caryn Marjorie's AI clone made $72K in week one
“In week one, I believe she did 72,000 dollars in revenue in I think she's using fan view, which is like a only fan style subscription platform.”
Sam Parr Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 10:18
Assertion Supported
Shaan Puri: AI influencer Emily Pellegrini gained 200K followers in a year
“She's got like 200,000 Instagram followers, and that's in like a year.”
Shaan Puri Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 12:48
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Shaan Puri: OnlyFans and Instagram models will be displaced by AI first
“Actually, AI is coming for like the Instagram thoughts. And like, that's who's going first is, is like only fans and Instagram models.”
Shaan Puri Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 13:31
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Puri: Scaled e-commerce companies routinely settle automated ADA lawsuits for $10k-$15k
“You talk to any e-commerce owner who's like, you know, been around for a couple of years or has, you know, does Over ten million in revenue, and they'll all tell you the same thing. Yep. We got hit with it. Pain in the ass. Can't fight it. Just settle 10, 15,0…”
Shaan Puri Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 18:46
Opinion
Shaan Puri: Copyright trolls could extract $50K nuisance settlements from AI startups
“I am stunned that somebody is not just suing every AI company and being like, cool, I'll settle for 20 K, go ahead or 50 K settlement. But otherwise you're just going to be wrapped up in this. It's going to hurt your future fundraising. It's going to be an iss…”
Shaan Puri Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 20:04
Assertion Supported
Puri: Stanley scaled revenue from $70M in 2019 to $750M by 2023
“In 2019, they were seventy million, and then 20, 20 three, 22, 22, 23, they're at 750, so like three years.”
Shaan Puri Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 21:14
Insight
Puri: Women are the ideal audience for high-trust recommendation platforms
“I think women is the right market for a product like this. People who want an opinion on everything and want to discuss and want to get answers and want high trust recommendations.”
Shaan Puri Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 26:29
Assertion Partly supported
Sam Parr: The Agora Generates Around $1 Billion via Physical Newsletters
“Agora is that big newsletter subscription that we've talked about that does like a billion dollars in sales. And we call them a newsletter subscription, but they actually make a shit ton of money from literally a physical newsletter.”
Sam Parr Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 30:13
Insight
Sam Parr: DIY Packaging Outperforms Corporate Polish for Creator Products
“Now that I know that like mom and pop is better than big, you know, big corporate company vibe, keep it lame or not lame. Keep it kind of like thrown together. That's the way to do it. I want to see a USPS box. I want to see some of the tape all messed up when…”
Sam Parr Jan 15, 2024 ▶ 33:11
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