Jan 24, 2024 · 59m · my-first-million
Brainstorming +$1M Weird Business Ideas With Morning Brew’s CEO Austin Rief (#543)
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Morning Brew CEO Austin Rief joins Shaan Puri and Sam Parr to brainstorm high-margin experiential businesses, analyze the shifting landscape of creator brands and passion niches, and share candid insider stories from encounters with high-profile founders.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 62.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 4.8 Guest teaching 3.8 Guest disagreement 0.7 The hosts pushing back 1.0
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 27:42 Austin puts Shaan on blast for ghosting him
Austin jokingly rejects host rapport to air out grievances on air, teasing Shaan for ditching their scheduled call to prepare for Tony Robbins.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 54:35 Sam presses Austin on Bill Ackman's attack on Axel SpringerSam directly confronts Austin about Morning Brew's parent company being at war with activist investor Bill Ackman, forcing Austin to deflect to private group chats.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 37:05 Austin breaks down the bizarre reality inside SBF's Bahamas penthouseAustin educates the hosts with firsthand observations of SBF's hyper-narrow crypto knowledge, disheveled lifestyle, and fake frugal posturing.
The host holds their own ▶ 23:49 Shaan delivers a masterclass on creator brand mechanicsShaan pushes past generic hype around creator brands, breaking down exact unit economics, repeat purchase dynamics, and content-product integration seen in Prime and Divi.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The $20M Boozy Bingo Rave Business Model | 4 | 5 | 0 | 1 | Austin introduces the hosts to the surprisingly lucrative world of boozy bingo raves, revealing pre-COVID revenue figures that surprise Sam and Shaan. The hosts quickly pull up competitor sites and ad libraries to analyze the unit economics collaboratively. | |
| Sponsor Break: HubSpot and Growth Strategies for Hampton | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | After an initial sponsor read, Shaan pitches a competitive eating bar concept to mirror the bingo dynamic, and Austin smoothly 'yes-ands' with gambling elements. Sam contributes examples like Beer Meets Food and Nick Gray's Museum Hack model. | |
| The Saturation and Future of the Newsletter Economy | 5 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Austin argues that newsletter saturation has stripped away industry alpha, comparing Beehiiv's lowering of barriers to Shopify's effect on e-commerce. He then schools the hosts on the high-margin consumable ecosystem of meat smoking and creator-led niche tooling. | |
| The Reality of Creator Brands: High Margins vs. Physical Distribution | 7 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Austin outlines why creator-backed consumer packaged goods are taking over retail shelves, but Shaan pushes back with a deep-dive analysis of why most creator brands fail. Shaan articulates the precise mechanics behind successful launches like Prime, Feastables, and Divi. | |
| Behind the Scenes of Shaan’s Interview with Tony Robbins | 3 | 1 | 2 | 1 | Austin playfully calls out Shaan for standing him up on a scheduled call because Shaan was prepping for Tony Robbins. Shaan shares the intense and humorous behind-the-scenes reality of prepping for and managing Robbins during a 45-minute remote interview. | |
| Austin Rief's Bizarre Bahamas Dinner with Sam Bankman-Fried | 4 | 6 | 0 | 1 | Austin gives a detailed first-person account of visiting Sam Bankman-Fried at his Albany compound in the Bahamas before FTX's collapse. He educates the hosts on SBF's hyper-specific crypto savant syndrome contrasted against basic lifestyle red flags and bizarre dinner hospitality. | |
| Visiting Kid Rock’s Compound and White House Replica | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Austin briefly recounts visiting Kid Rock's compound and replica White House before Sam shares an ad read. Shaan then entertains with an anecdote about Cody Ko visiting Elon Musk's unfurnished party house. | |
| Analyzing Elon Musk's Hardcore Mentality and David Goggins' Intensity | 6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Austin summarizes his key takeaway from Walter Isaacson's Elon Musk biography about Musk's uncompromising hardcore mentality. Shaan counters with his operational philosophy of only channeling David Goggins for one hour a day and Elon's vision 15% of the time to avoid burning out teams. | |
| The Power of Conviction: Throwing Your Weight Around in Business | 5 | 4 | 1 | 2 | The conversation turns to founders throwing their weight around with high conviction, from SBF to Andrew Wilkinson and Warren Buffett. Sam probes Austin regarding Bill Ackman's public battle with Business Insider/Axel Springer, leading into Austin explaining luxury hospitality economics via Aman Resorts. |
Statements from this episode (18)
Bongo's Bingo Made Around $20M Annually Pre-COVID
“Apparently, people in the industry said these bongo bingo guys, apparently, pre-COVID, were doing twenty million a year in revenue.”
Clash SF Made Seven Figures Annually Hosting Scavenger Hunts
“He had a company called Clash. It stood for California League of Adventure Scavenger Hunt, or something like that. It was called Clash SF, and he was making seven figures a year, and we would host these city-wide scavenger hunts.”
Museum Hack Reached Millions in Revenue Before Its Sale
“Nick Gray had a business called Museum Hack, and he eventually sold it, and it was doing many, many millions in revenue.”
Experiential Businesses Scale by Pivoting From $50 B2C to $20K B2B
“You went B to B because that's where the money and all this stuff is right. Selling in, you sell to consumer for 50 bucks, you sell the morning brew for 20 grand and our HR team just sides off and approves it.”
Morning Brew CEO: No More Alpha Left in the Newsletter Game
“I think there's no more alpha in the newsletter game. Everyone talks about everything.”
Beehiiv Did for Newsletters What Shopify Did for E-Commerce
“I think beehive did for newsletters, What Shopify did for e-commerce, right?”
High-Friction Consumer Hobbies Offer Major Monetization Opportunities
“Anything that's a huge pain in the ass that people do, there's, like, a shit ton of money there.”
A Modern Traeger Competitor Could Become a Multi-Billion Dollar Brand
“I want to build the Traeger or the green egg competitor, sell the 1500 dollar product, sell the 50 dollar a month, hundred dollar a month pellets, and build the next Traeger, which I think is a multi, you know, billion dollar brand.”
Woodworking Creator Brand KM Tools Generates Around $50M Annually
“I bet you he does fifty million a year on, so it's called KM Tools, I think, right? Yeah, KM Tools. I bet you this does in the fifty million range.”
Eventually Every Retail Brand Will Have a Creator Face Attached
“I still think ultimately you're going to walk into a liquor store. You're going to walk into target and every brand is going to have a face and association because why wouldn't it, right?”
Most Creators Launching CPG Brands Will Fail and Wash Out
“I think that people looked at Feastables, they looked at Prime, and they looked at Skims, and they're like, creator brand. And every creator's like, I need to do a creator brand. And every, like, former dropshipper's like, I just need a creator, and then we wi…”
The Four Key Requirements for Winning Creator Brands
“You have high margin product, You have repeat purchase because people are going to have to, they have to keep applying the thing. You have a visual before and after, and you have a true story around the creators, like actual need versus just like a nice to hav…”
Tony Robbins Teared Up During His My First Million Interview
“Tears were shed, and they weren't mine. And if there's one mark of a successful Tony, like, life accomplishment, I wouldn't say he cried, wouldn't say, but he, you know, teared up”
Sam Bankman-Fried Only Mastered Details That Directly Benefited FTX
“Sam was a genius when it came to the things he had to know for FTX and crypto. So for example, Tom Brady was a like sponsored by FTX, right? Sam could have told you every single thing. About Tom Brady. Could have told you his stat line, everything about him, b…”
MrBeast Has Virtually No Knowledge of Pop Culture Outside YouTube
“It was Mr. Beast, you know, he's the best in the world, and I remember, I think it was either you or me and someone else, and I, we were just shooting the shit about, like, a TV show that I thought everyone knew about, And he had no idea. And I was like, I was…”
Top 0.01% Performers Commonly Lack General Knowledge Outside Their Niche
“I think that's like actually kind of common for people who get like top point. Oh, one percent of like what they're trying to become.”
Founders Should Only Emulate Elon Musk 15% of the Time
“The trick with Elon Musk is you only want to be Elon Musk, like, 15% of the time in your company, right? When you're establishing the vision of, like, thinking big about what you're doing. He's amazing. You want to channel your inner Elon when you are You know…”
Andrew Wilkinson Uses His Private Jet to Aggressively Pursue Deals
“Andrew Wilkinson does this. He throws his weight around. When he wants something, or he like sets his target on someone, a relationship, or a business he wants to buy, or whatever, He really throws his weight around in a way that I definitely don't, right? Lik…”