Mar 25, 2024 · 42m · my-first-million
It’s The Most Taboo Business Model We’ve Ever Seen
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Sean Puri and Sam Parr dissect disruptive business models and growth strategies, exploring Cofertility's egg-sharing model, Hampton's private e-commerce financial benchmarks, and high-margin creator-led enterprises.
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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The hosts hold 99.8% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
The hosts as informed peer 6.0 Guest teaching 2.6 Guest disagreement 1.8 The hosts pushing back 2.2
speaking balance: gold is the hosts, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 23:04 Debate over Dr. Becky's calculated origin
Sam argues that Dr. Becky is a calculated business shark who meticulously executed an influencer master plan, while Shaan directly rejects the premise and argues creators start organically.
Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 11:21 Sam presses Shaan on his Burning Man contradictionSam confronts Shaan on the contradiction of citing data that nobody regrets Burning Man while still refusing to go himself.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 36:42 Hormozi opportunity sizing frameworkShaan educates the room on Alex Hormozi's concept of pairing 10/10 execution with high TAM opportunities instead of wasting elite effort on small markets.
The host holds their own ▶ 14:52 Shaan's instant margin calculation on survey dataShaan demonstrates financial domain expertise by instantly converting Hampton's top-line revenue-per-employee statistic into estimated EBITDA margins and net profit per head.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The hosts as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The hosts pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Cofertility, Egg Freezing Models, and Taboo Startup Strategy | 5 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Shaan details Cofertility's business model and trends in egg freezing, while Sam supplements with personal IVF cost experience and a friend's DIY arrangement. The interaction is collaborative and inquisitive. | |
| HubSpot Ad: Hampton's Anonymous Founder Survey Growth Engine | 2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | After an ad read detailing Hampton's survey funnels, the hosts lightly banter about life regret statistics and Shaan's apprehension about Burning Man. | |
| Hampton E-Commerce Benchmark Survey and Business Margin Realities | 7 | 3 | 2 | 3 | Sam shares Hampton benchmark data on e-commerce companies, and Shaan runs immediate unit economics on the revenue-per-employee figures to illustrate tight net margins. | |
| Dr. Becky's Good Inside and the Multi-Million Dollar Creator Funnel | 8 | 4 | 3 | 4 | The hosts break down creator funnels and subscription revenue for Dr. Becky and Taking Care of Babies, briefly debating whether Dr. Becky's relatable persona was calculated from day one. | |
| Mini Katana's Pivot to Candy and the Art of Quitting | 8 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Shaan analyzes Isaac's viral marketing with Mini Katana and pivot to candy, applying Alex Hormozi's framework on opportunity sizing and discussing the necessity of quitting mediocre ventures. |
Statements from this episode (13)
Shaan Puri: 20,000 US women froze their eggs in 2023
“I think last year, 20,000 women in the United States chose to freeze their eggs.”
Shaan Puri: Cofertility charges a $13,700 matchmaking fee for donated eggs
“You can get free egg freezing if you bundle in and agree to donate half the eggs up front. And on the other side, they go and charge people who want eggs, and they charge them 13,000 dollars at 13,700 dollars to as their matchmaking fee to get you your eggs.”
Sam Parr: Embryo freezing cost $60,000 but was covered by insurance
“I think that the whole process of that, that I went through, that my wife and I went through, I think it was like something like 60,000 dollars and her insurance paid for it.”
Shaan Puri: Taboo startup ideas generate free PR that filters non-customers
“Like there is something almost strategic in doing a sort of controversial taboo, almost a naughty idea. And you will get article after article, online argument after online argument. And all it really does is it pushes away the people who were never going to b…”
Sam Parr: E-commerce founders average $1.35M revenue per employee, $385K salary
“So we had about 50 people reply. The average revenue of the responder was twenty five million. Average revenue per employee, 1.35 million. The average founder paid themselves 385,000 dollars a year.”
Sam Parr: Meta is still the best ad platform for e-commerce
“Fucking meta, dude. It's still the best platform for buying ads for e-com.”
Shaan Puri: Good e-commerce brands hit 20 percent EBITDA margins
“I would say that a good e-commerce brand is doing 20% profit margins on that before taxes, EBITDA, EBITDA margin. And I would say the average might be between 10 and 15%.”
Shaan Puri: Parenting community Good Inside generates $13M to $14M annually
“The product their product good inside has about 50,000 paying members. So their membership community is probably doing around 13, fourteen million a year in revenue”
Shaan Puri: Taking Cara Babies generates $10M to $15M annually
“The info product taking care of babies. Was making somewhere between 10 and fifteen million dollars. This was not even like a company. This is just like her 10 to fifteen million dollars a year in revenue with fat profit margins.”
Shaan Puri: Big Little Feelings generated $20M selling parenting courses
“Ben had bought this one called big little feelings. I think they sold 200,000 courses at an average of a hundred dollars. So twenty million in revenue.”
Shaan Puri: Mini Katana hit $10M to $20M revenue via viral video
“And he just used YouTube and tick tock to go viral many times. And he built it up to like. Ten million or so a year, basically like, you know 10, 10 to twenty million a year in revenue on the Katana brand.”
Sam Parr: Mini Katana's YouTube network generates one billion monthly views
“And so he gets up one billion views a month across his network of YouTube channels. And so his main channel on YouTube, which only launched in 2022, has 8.7 million subscribers and five and billions of views.”
Shaan Puri shut down his $10M per year rolling fund for focus
“Like I had a venture fund that I was doing. I had a rolling fund. It paid me very well. And I was deploying I don't know, close to ten million dollars a year to invest in startups. It was it was good, but it was in the middle. I found better investment opportu…”