StarZero All shows Try the podcast clipper →

Itai Gurari

VP of Research and Development, Fastcase · 1 appearance on the record.

computed by AI from the episodes · how this works → · full disclaimer →

founderexecutiveengineerfastcase.com ↗

Itai Gurari co-founded and served as CEO of legal analytics startup Judicata before its acquisition by Fastcase in 2020. He previously practiced law at Jones Day and worked as a software engineer on Google Scholar's legal search tools.

10statements → 5claims → 2claims resolved → 4/5average certainty → 1.6/5average debate potential →

2 supported 0 partly supported 0 contradicted 3 not checkable as stated how the 5 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

5 assertions · 1 insight · 4 disclosures · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 5 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 2 are resolved, and 3 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Itai argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Westlaw employs 800 attorney editors to structure case law
“They are the dominant case law publisher in the country, and they boast a staff of 800 attorney editors. They have 800 people who are reading opinions, adding structure to it, and summarizing, doing work like that.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 7:36 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)

How they sound: speaking style how? →

244 words/min while actually speaking · 47.7 um and uh per 1k words

No argument clarity score for Itai Gurari: no usable question→answer exchanges on raw tape (a fair score needs 8+). We do not score a sample that small. Roundtable and news formats yield far fewer direct exchanges than interviews.

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 3,312 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

Everything Itai Gurari said on the MAD Podcast that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bloomberg and LexisNexis failed at structuring legal data
“Bloomberg tried to do a lot of the things that we were doing and did not succeed. Lexus has tried to do a lot of these things and has not succeeded. It's not something where you just throw resources at it.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 18:50 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
NLP is not yet advanced enough to fully automate legal research
“The NLP isn't quite there. It may never get there.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 10:16 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Insight
Humans maintain an advantage over computers in handling varied data inputs
“The one place where people make a big difference and actually have a leg up on the computers is that people can handle a broad range of data inputs.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 4:58 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Disclosure
Judicata raised $8 million from Peter Thiel and Khosla Ventures
“We've been fortunate enough to have raised about eight million dollars from Peter Thiel and Coastal Ventures, and it's allowing us to do everything we want to do, but at the same time, it's not the half a billion dollars that some of our competitors have.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 9:46 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Judicata cuts legal ontology creation time from one year to weeks
“And at the end, we've broken down this process into something that instead of taking a year, might take two weeks or four weeks.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 13:17 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Disclosure
Judicata transforms unstructured case law into structured data
“What we're doing is, ah, transforming unstructured case law into structured data.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 3:08 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Assertion Supported
Westlaw employs 800 attorney editors to structure case law
“They are the dominant case law publisher in the country, and they boast a staff of 800 attorney editors. They have 800 people who are reading opinions, adding structure to it, and summarizing, doing work like that.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 7:36 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Assertion Supported
Bloomberg acquired BNA for approximately $1 billion
“More recently they bought BNA, which is a company that was founded in two, in 1929. For about a billion dollars.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 8:14 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Disclosure
Judicata experiments with Mechanical Turk for low-skilled legal data tasks
“We do some experimentation with, ah, mechanical torque in terms of low-skilled labor, and we're able to develop tasks with, ah, a high amount of, sort of, classification or training, so we can get people who can perform these tasks, and then we can do enough s…”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 19:56 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)
Disclosure
Judicata will start as a niche and won't cover all US jurisdictions soon
“So really, it's, ah, it'll start off as a niche. I mean, we're not going to have all the jurisdictions in the country for a long time, but it allows something to be done that couldn't otherwise be done.”
Itai Gurari Jan 16, 2014 ▶ 15:15 Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital)

Appearances (1)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Itai Gurari, Judicata // Data Driven NYC 21 // Dec 2013 (Hosted by FirstMark Capital) Jan 16, 2014 15m
Made with StarZero

Turn any episode into a week of clips.

This entire site, over 400 conversations transcribed, diarized, checked and made playable, runs on the StarZero media pipeline. Drop in your own episode and the podcast clipper finds the moments worth sharing, cuts them, captions them, and reframes them for every feed.

Try the podcast clipper Learn more