Casey Winters
Co-Founder and CEO, SuperMe · 3 appearances on the record.
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Winters scaled Grubhub's growth to an IPO, led growth product at Pinterest, and served as Chief Product Officer at Eventbrite. He currently teaches growth strategy at Reforge and is the Co-Founder and CEO of SuperMe.
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Winters: Pinterest growth stalled due to Facebook and SEO algorithm changes
“We were a fast growing startup that stopped growing due to some changes in, in the market related to Facebook. And then actually, once we had switched to growing primarily through SEO, there was an algorithm change that severely impacted our growth at one poin…”
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Everything Casey Winters said on Lenny's Podcast that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →
Casey Winters: Functional ops roles are a hack for underlying issues
“Functional ops roles, whether it's product ops or marketing ops or You know, whatever they're a hack to deal with some sort of functional issue on your team.”
Winters: Resource-rich startups will disappear within five years
“And you know, that's gonna go away over the next five years. And it sort of takes us back to what product management used to be like, which was, you know, you didn't have all these resources around. You didn't have all this time to figure it out because if you…”
Winters: Most PMs are better at performative interviewing than the actual job
“I feel like the whole thing's gotten so performative. It's like interviewing is handing out Oscars based on who's prepared the best. Tell me about a time response versus actually assessing like who can do the job we're hiring for. So it's like most PMs are bet…”
Winters: Grubhub's only survival play was acquiring DoorDash early
“So I think the only play here was to buy DoorDash as early as possible and let DoorDash and their operationally heavy culture eat Grubhub from the inside out.”
Winters: Incumbents must assume existential disruptors are playing an optimal game
“Unless you have a real viable reason to assume otherwise, you gotta assume the disruptor is right. And base your strategy on them playing an optimal game.”
Winters: Delivery and catering orders are pure margin for restaurants
“Delivery orders and catering orders are basically pure margin to restaurants. The chefs are already there. The, you know, the rent is already being paid. The more things we pump out of the kitchen, the more money we make.”
Winters: Adding SaaS to a marketplace is easier than the reverse
“It's going to work, but it's hard and it's not replicable for a lot of other SaaS businesses. You need to have a direct relationship with your customer's customers. First off, those customers need to have needs beyond that single supplier. Usually it's like a …”
Winters: Consumer subscription startups require 60-70% annual retention to scale
“What that means is you need higher user-based retention. Than a B to B SaaS businesses with more unpredictable users. And it's a lot higher than I think, you know, founders tend to think. We're talking annual retention that needs to be north of 60, perhaps eve…”
Winters: Consumer startups using paid acquisition plus freemium should pivot immediately
“So if what your plan is, is to use paid acquisition on top of a freemium model to get a percentage of people to convert and hopefully stick around forever. I'd pivot right now. Like, I just can't see it working.”
Winters: Scalable acquisition is a necessary requirement for product-market fit
“Scalable acquisition or what we call an acquisition loop is a requirement for product market fit. Like if you got a product that retains well and you can't find more users for it, I don't think that's product market fit.”
Winters: Hire full-time growth leads only after finding scalable loops
“The goal of your Kindle strategies, these like non scalable hacks, they only exist to unlock the fire strategies, to unlock the things that could take you to millions of users. And it's once you unlock a fire strategy, that's when I think you think about hirin…”
Winters: CPOs must act as company executives first, product executives second
“A big change from being a product leader to a, you know, a CPO or something equivalent is you're actually a company. Exec first and a product exec second.”
Winters: Reserve user research for problems with extreme uncertainty and high leverage
“User research is a scarce resource. We have to reserve it for the areas that have extreme uncertainty and high leverage for getting to certain.”
Winters: High-scale consumer products should test first, research when confused
“The more scale you have, Tends to be, you have less sophisticated customers because you're generally like, you know, consumer thing where the customers are rational. They're not experts. And that's generally where you just try things. You measure the impact th…”
Winters: Genuine product management roles are least likely to be AI-replaced
“I think the real PM job is the least likely to get replaced over time. Because you need, you know, real subject matter expertise. You need to, you know, be trading off a lot of different types of things and making good decisions for the company and for your cu…”
Winters: Founders shouldn't delegate until new hires make better decisions
“If founders are lucky slash good enough to find product market fit, they've usually built up all this intuition about their customers, about their product and their business that are really hard to explain to others and may even be like subconscious. So when t…”
Winters: White-label restaurant delivery startups will struggle to reach massive scale
“And I would say I'm pretty skeptical of those because they're just not really building the network effects on the demand side. They're just more like SaaS businesses. And I think they'll struggle to be, you know, multi-hundred million dollar in revenue busines…”
Winters: Paid acquisition efficiency inevitably degrades as startups scale
“Paid acquisition tends to get worse as you scale. You know, you target the best customers first. They have great conversion, great retention. And then as you expand your targeting of new customers, every one of those metrics gets worse until it's no longer pro…”
Winters: Cross-functional teams need a single DRI with no escalation path
“Something we started doing more recently at both Eventbrite and whatnot is just designating the person on the cross-functional team who drives the project. At Eventbrite, we call it the driver. At whatnot, we call it the DRI, directly responsible individual. B…”
Winters: Employees chronically under-communicate upward and unfairly blame executives
“I find that in general, people just weigh under communicate upward inside of companies, and then they'll complain that executives are out of touch, you know, when they aren't telling executives what the executives need to know.”
Winters: 'Perceived simplicity' hides advanced features until users seek them out
“We strive for this concept of what we call perceived simplicity, which is there are advanced features in the product and they are easily discoverable when you look for them, but they're effectively hidden if you're not looking for them. And of course the major…”
Winters: Most MarTech companies are bad businesses because they target marketers
“MarTech to be really successful. It's really got to target engineers more so than marketers and that a lot of MarTech businesses just aren't very good businesses.”
Winters: Avoiding specialization slows early promotions but speeds executive ascension
“The other element that served me well was just refusing to specialize. I thought if I could learn all the skills that would allow me to combine them to work on the most important things versus only work on the thing I knew how to work on. And that definitely l…”
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Statements about Casey Winters, by other people (1)
Every mention by year
tap a year for its mentions
2025 1 mention in 1 episode
2024 7 mentions in 3 episodes 2 per episode
2023 13 mentions in 7 episodes 2 per episode
- Understanding the role of product ops | Christine Itwaru (Pendo)
- Brian Balfour: 10 lessons on career, growth, and life
- Leveraging growth advisors, mastering SEO, and honing your craft | Luc Levesque (Shopify, Meta)
- The ultimate guide to product-led sales | Elena Verna
- The ultimate guide to product operations | Melissa Perri and Denise Tilles
- Lessons on product sense, AI, the first mile experience, and the messy middle | Scott Belsky (Adobe)
- How to achieve hypergrowth in your business and career | Carilu Dietrich (Atlassian)
- every mention in 2023, scene by scene →
2022 9 mentions in 4 episodes 2 per episode
- How to grow a subscription business | Yuriy Timen (Grammarly, Canva, Airtable)
- How to build trust and grow as a product leader | Fareed Mosavat (Reforge, Slack, Instacart, Pixar)
- Building a meaningful career | Jason Shah (Airbnb, Amazon, Microsoft, Alchemy)
- Why product-led growth is the future | Elena Verna (Amplitude, Miro, Surveymonkey)
- every mention in 2022, scene by scene →
Appearances (3)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Thinking beyond frameworks | Casey Winters (Pinterest, Eventbrite, Airbnb, Tinder, Reddit, | Mar 30, 2023 | 52m |
| The rituals of great teams | Shishir Mehrotra, Coda, YouTube, Microsoft | Aug 14, 2022 | 34s |
| How to sell your ideas and rise within your company | Casey Winters, Eventbrite | Jul 21, 2022 | 39m |