Oct 24, 2016 · 58m · knowledge-project

#14 Morgan Housel: Reading, Writing, and Lifelong Learning

Morgan Housel · 44m spoken Shane Parrish · 8m spoken
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In this episode of The Knowledge Project, host Shane Parrish interviews financial writer Morgan Housel about his career trajectory, the discipline of clear and timeless writing, information filtering strategies, and the pursuit of intellectual and financial autonomy.

How this conversation actually went

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Shane as informed peer 2.1 Guest teaching 2.0 Guest disagreement 0.3 Shane pushing back 0.6
05100:0015:0030:0045:001:09–5:32 · Shane as informed peer 1/10 Morgan Housel's Career Path from Valet to Financial Writer Shane Parrish asks warm, biographical questions about Morgan Housel's background from valet parking to financial journalism. The dynamic is purely conversational, agreeable, and exploratory.5:32–8:44 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Writing as Clarification and Personal Investing Strategy Parrish probes whether writing about finance without managing money gives an outsider advantage. Housel details both the blind spots and the objective benefits of not depending on industry paychecks.8:45–14:15 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Three Types of Writing, Timeless Content, and Handling Feedback Housel breaks down his framework for three categories of writing, emphasizing timeless mental models over daily news. Parrish asks practical questions about measuring reader impact and filtering feedback.14:18–22:01 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 Overcoming Confirmation Bias and Embracing Intellectual Flexibility The discussion focuses on confirmation bias and intellectual flexibility, with Housel sharing examples of analysts like John Hussman and David Rosenberg. Parrish contributes insights regarding the career friction involved in admitting errors.22:03–26:16 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Great Communicators and the Power of Simple Writing Parrish asks about influential teachers, leading Housel to praise Charlie Munger and Jason Zweig for simplicity. Both agree that clear, short sentences outperform academic jargon.26:17–30:06 · Shane as informed peer 1/10 Daily Workflow, Information Digestion, and Idea Generation Parrish inquires into Housel's daily routine, reading habits, and process for incubating writing topics during walks. Housel describes the paradox of idea generation becoming harder with experience.30:07–39:16 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 Human Curation, Historical Perspective, and Reading Systems Parrish and Housel discuss human curation versus algorithmic filtering, referencing Tadas Viskanta and Parrish's own reading lists. Housel highlights Frederick Lewis Allen's historical trilogy on American cultural adaptation.39:16–52:53 · Shane as informed peer 3/10 Personal Perspectives on Radical Honesty, Empathy, and Fatherhood Parrish introduces listener questions on radical candor, empathy, and fatherhood. When Parrish questions whether radical honesty causes defensiveness, Housel defends constructive bluntness by separating honesty from rudeness.52:54–57:16 · Shane as informed peer 2/10 Current Reading on Genetics and the Goal of Financial Independence Housel talks about reading Siddhartha Mukherjee's The Gene and reflects on how scientific dogmas are overturned over time. The episode closes warmly with Housel sharing his bucket list goal of full financial independence.1:09–5:32 · Guest teaching 1/10 Morgan Housel's Career Path from Valet to Financial Writer Shane Parrish asks warm, biographical questions about Morgan Housel's background from valet parking to financial journalism. The dynamic is purely conversational, agreeable, and exploratory.5:32–8:44 · Guest teaching 3/10 Writing as Clarification and Personal Investing Strategy Parrish probes whether writing about finance without managing money gives an outsider advantage. Housel details both the blind spots and the objective benefits of not depending on industry paychecks.8:45–14:15 · Guest teaching 2/10 Three Types of Writing, Timeless Content, and Handling Feedback Housel breaks down his framework for three categories of writing, emphasizing timeless mental models over daily news. Parrish asks practical questions about measuring reader impact and filtering feedback.14:18–22:01 · Guest teaching 3/10 Overcoming Confirmation Bias and Embracing Intellectual Flexibility The discussion focuses on confirmation bias and intellectual flexibility, with Housel sharing examples of analysts like John Hussman and David Rosenberg. Parrish contributes insights regarding the career friction involved in admitting errors.22:03–26:16 · Guest teaching 2/10 Great Communicators and the Power of Simple Writing Parrish asks about influential teachers, leading Housel to praise Charlie Munger and Jason Zweig for simplicity. Both agree that clear, short sentences outperform academic jargon.26:17–30:06 · Guest teaching 1/10 Daily Workflow, Information Digestion, and Idea Generation Parrish inquires into Housel's daily routine, reading habits, and process for incubating writing topics during walks. Housel describes the paradox of idea generation becoming harder with experience.30:07–39:16 · Guest teaching 2/10 Human Curation, Historical Perspective, and Reading Systems Parrish and Housel discuss human curation versus algorithmic filtering, referencing Tadas Viskanta and Parrish's own reading lists. Housel highlights Frederick Lewis Allen's historical trilogy on American cultural adaptation.39:16–52:53 · Guest teaching 2/10 Personal Perspectives on Radical Honesty, Empathy, and Fatherhood Parrish introduces listener questions on radical candor, empathy, and fatherhood. When Parrish questions whether radical honesty causes defensiveness, Housel defends constructive bluntness by separating honesty from rudeness.52:54–57:16 · Guest teaching 2/10 Current Reading on Genetics and the Goal of Financial Independence Housel talks about reading Siddhartha Mukherjee's The Gene and reflects on how scientific dogmas are overturned over time. The episode closes warmly with Housel sharing his bucket list goal of full financial independence.1:09–5:32 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Morgan Housel's Career Path from Valet to Financial Writer Shane Parrish asks warm, biographical questions about Morgan Housel's background from valet parking to financial journalism. The dynamic is purely conversational, agreeable, and exploratory.5:32–8:44 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Writing as Clarification and Personal Investing Strategy Parrish probes whether writing about finance without managing money gives an outsider advantage. Housel details both the blind spots and the objective benefits of not depending on industry paychecks.8:45–14:15 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Three Types of Writing, Timeless Content, and Handling Feedback Housel breaks down his framework for three categories of writing, emphasizing timeless mental models over daily news. Parrish asks practical questions about measuring reader impact and filtering feedback.14:18–22:01 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Overcoming Confirmation Bias and Embracing Intellectual Flexibility The discussion focuses on confirmation bias and intellectual flexibility, with Housel sharing examples of analysts like John Hussman and David Rosenberg. Parrish contributes insights regarding the career friction involved in admitting errors.22:03–26:16 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Great Communicators and the Power of Simple Writing Parrish asks about influential teachers, leading Housel to praise Charlie Munger and Jason Zweig for simplicity. Both agree that clear, short sentences outperform academic jargon.26:17–30:06 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Daily Workflow, Information Digestion, and Idea Generation Parrish inquires into Housel's daily routine, reading habits, and process for incubating writing topics during walks. Housel describes the paradox of idea generation becoming harder with experience.30:07–39:16 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Human Curation, Historical Perspective, and Reading Systems Parrish and Housel discuss human curation versus algorithmic filtering, referencing Tadas Viskanta and Parrish's own reading lists. Housel highlights Frederick Lewis Allen's historical trilogy on American cultural adaptation.39:16–52:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Personal Perspectives on Radical Honesty, Empathy, and Fatherhood Parrish introduces listener questions on radical candor, empathy, and fatherhood. When Parrish questions whether radical honesty causes defensiveness, Housel defends constructive bluntness by separating honesty from rudeness.52:54–57:16 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Current Reading on Genetics and the Goal of Financial Independence Housel talks about reading Siddhartha Mukherjee's The Gene and reflects on how scientific dogmas are overturned over time. The episode closes warmly with Housel sharing his bucket list goal of full financial independence.1:09–5:32 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Morgan Housel's Career Path from Valet to Financial Writer Shane Parrish asks warm, biographical questions about Morgan Housel's background from valet parking to financial journalism. The dynamic is purely conversational, agreeable, and exploratory.5:32–8:44 · Shane pushing back 1/10 Writing as Clarification and Personal Investing Strategy Parrish probes whether writing about finance without managing money gives an outsider advantage. Housel details both the blind spots and the objective benefits of not depending on industry paychecks.8:45–14:15 · Shane pushing back 1/10 Three Types of Writing, Timeless Content, and Handling Feedback Housel breaks down his framework for three categories of writing, emphasizing timeless mental models over daily news. Parrish asks practical questions about measuring reader impact and filtering feedback.14:18–22:01 · Shane pushing back 1/10 Overcoming Confirmation Bias and Embracing Intellectual Flexibility The discussion focuses on confirmation bias and intellectual flexibility, with Housel sharing examples of analysts like John Hussman and David Rosenberg. Parrish contributes insights regarding the career friction involved in admitting errors.22:03–26:16 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Great Communicators and the Power of Simple Writing Parrish asks about influential teachers, leading Housel to praise Charlie Munger and Jason Zweig for simplicity. Both agree that clear, short sentences outperform academic jargon.26:17–30:06 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Daily Workflow, Information Digestion, and Idea Generation Parrish inquires into Housel's daily routine, reading habits, and process for incubating writing topics during walks. Housel describes the paradox of idea generation becoming harder with experience.30:07–39:16 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Human Curation, Historical Perspective, and Reading Systems Parrish and Housel discuss human curation versus algorithmic filtering, referencing Tadas Viskanta and Parrish's own reading lists. Housel highlights Frederick Lewis Allen's historical trilogy on American cultural adaptation.39:16–52:53 · Shane pushing back 2/10 Personal Perspectives on Radical Honesty, Empathy, and Fatherhood Parrish introduces listener questions on radical candor, empathy, and fatherhood. When Parrish questions whether radical honesty causes defensiveness, Housel defends constructive bluntness by separating honesty from rudeness.52:54–57:16 · Shane pushing back 0/10 Current Reading on Genetics and the Goal of Financial Independence Housel talks about reading Siddhartha Mukherjee's The Gene and reflects on how scientific dogmas are overturned over time. The episode closes warmly with Housel sharing his bucket list goal of full financial independence.

speaking balance: gold is Shane, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Shane 48.7% · guest 51.3%0:00 · Shane 48.7% · guest 51.3%3:00 · Shane 7.2% · guest 92.8%3:00 · Shane 7.2% · guest 92.8%6:00 · Shane 14.1% · guest 85.9%6:00 · Shane 14.1% · guest 85.9%9:00 · Shane 13.3% · guest 86.7%9:00 · Shane 13.3% · guest 86.7%12:00 · Shane 17.7% · guest 82.3%12:00 · Shane 17.7% · guest 82.3%15:00 · Shane 0.9% · guest 99.1%15:00 · Shane 0.9% · guest 99.1%18:00 · Shane 27.1% · guest 72.9%18:00 · Shane 27.1% · guest 72.9%21:00 · Shane 2.5% · guest 97.5%21:00 · Shane 2.5% · guest 97.5%24:00 · Shane 10.7% · guest 89.3%24:00 · Shane 10.7% · guest 89.3%27:00 · Shane 5.7% · guest 94.3%27:00 · Shane 5.7% · guest 94.3%30:00 · Shane 18.7% · guest 81.3%30:00 · Shane 18.7% · guest 81.3%33:00 · Shane 7.4% · guest 92.6%33:00 · Shane 7.4% · guest 92.6%36:00 · Shane 14.5% · guest 85.5%36:00 · Shane 14.5% · guest 85.5%39:00 · Shane 18.9% · guest 81.1%39:00 · Shane 18.9% · guest 81.1%42:00 · Shane 15.3% · guest 84.7%42:00 · Shane 15.3% · guest 84.7%45:00 · Shane 11.4% · guest 88.6%45:00 · Shane 11.4% · guest 88.6%48:00 · Shane 19.2% · guest 80.8%48:00 · Shane 19.2% · guest 80.8%51:00 · Shane 7.5% · guest 92.5%51:00 · Shane 7.5% · guest 92.5%54:00 · Shane 4.9% · guest 95.1%54:00 · Shane 4.9% · guest 95.1%57:00 · Shane 86.2% · guest 13.8%57:00 · Shane 86.2% · guest 13.8%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 41:13 Defending military-style blunt candor

Housel counters Parrish's skepticism about radical candor by differentiating between being rude and being direct, citing military communication standards.

Hardest push from Shane ▶ 41:00 Pushback on Bridgewater's radical transparency

Parrish directly challenges the efficacy of brutal honesty, arguing that unprompted blunt feedback usually triggers defensive and dismissive reactions rather than genuine personal growth.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:26 Explaining the practitioner's cognitive bias

Housel explains why active fund managers inherently struggle with objective thinking because their paychecks depend on maintaining specific market narratives.

Shane holds their own ▶ 32:11 Human curation as contextualized trust

Parrish articulates a conceptual framework that reframes Housel's reading aggregators as human-curated trust systems in direct contrast to algorithmic feeds.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicShane as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementShane pushing backWhy
Morgan Housel's Career Path from Valet to Financial Writer 1100 Shane Parrish asks warm, biographical questions about Morgan Housel's background from valet parking to financial journalism. The dynamic is purely conversational, agreeable, and exploratory.
Writing as Clarification and Personal Investing Strategy 2311 Parrish probes whether writing about finance without managing money gives an outsider advantage. Housel details both the blind spots and the objective benefits of not depending on industry paychecks.
Three Types of Writing, Timeless Content, and Handling Feedback 2201 Housel breaks down his framework for three categories of writing, emphasizing timeless mental models over daily news. Parrish asks practical questions about measuring reader impact and filtering feedback.
Overcoming Confirmation Bias and Embracing Intellectual Flexibility 3311 The discussion focuses on confirmation bias and intellectual flexibility, with Housel sharing examples of analysts like John Hussman and David Rosenberg. Parrish contributes insights regarding the career friction involved in admitting errors.
Great Communicators and the Power of Simple Writing 2200 Parrish asks about influential teachers, leading Housel to praise Charlie Munger and Jason Zweig for simplicity. Both agree that clear, short sentences outperform academic jargon.
Daily Workflow, Information Digestion, and Idea Generation 1100 Parrish inquires into Housel's daily routine, reading habits, and process for incubating writing topics during walks. Housel describes the paradox of idea generation becoming harder with experience.
Human Curation, Historical Perspective, and Reading Systems 3200 Parrish and Housel discuss human curation versus algorithmic filtering, referencing Tadas Viskanta and Parrish's own reading lists. Housel highlights Frederick Lewis Allen's historical trilogy on American cultural adaptation.
Personal Perspectives on Radical Honesty, Empathy, and Fatherhood 3212 Parrish introduces listener questions on radical candor, empathy, and fatherhood. When Parrish questions whether radical honesty causes defensiveness, Housel defends constructive bluntness by separating honesty from rudeness.
Current Reading on Genetics and the Goal of Financial Independence 2200 Housel talks about reading Siddhartha Mukherjee's The Gene and reflects on how scientific dogmas are overturned over time. The episode closes warmly with Housel sharing his bucket list goal of full financial independence.

Statements from this episode (19)

Insight
Housel: Finance attracts young men through impressions of money and power
“Finance is attractive to a yacht of, to a lot of, especially young men in their teenage years because it has the impression of money and power and prestige.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 2:46
Insight
Housel: Writing in any field helps solidify and clarify abstract thoughts
“I think writing is a great process for anybody in any field because it really helps you solidify your thoughts.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 5:53
Disclosure
Morgan Housel invests primarily in index funds alongside occasional individual stocks
“How I invest is basically every month I dollar cost average into index funds. So that's my, that's the core of it. And then on top of that rarely, but it is a portion of my portfolio when I come across an individual stock that is attractive to me for whatever …”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 6:50
Insight
Housel: Professional money managers cannot objectively assess their own industry
“It is impossible to think objectively about a field that you reap, that you get your paycheck from. And I think that's really true for a lot of money, professional money managers, mutual fund managers, hedge fund managers, that no matter how hard they try, it'…”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 7:56
Insight
Housel: Financial writing consists of facts, opinions, or mental frameworks
“There are three types of writing especially financial writing. There is just providing information, which is, I guess what like Reuters and Bloomberg would do just breaking news and Just putting out the objective facts, end of story. And then, so that's one ty…”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 8:54
Insight
Housel: Articles relevant only today are not truly relevant at all
“If an article is relevant today, but not relevant tomorrow, then it's not relevant at all.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 10:21
Insight
Housel: Unprompted reader feedback skews toward extreme love or hate
“You get huge skews between people who really like the article or people who really hate the article. Not a lot in between. I think feedback is only relevant if like a reader is forced to give it. So you get the biggest, The widest swath of opinions, but most f…”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 11:38
Insight
Housel: The best investors prioritize dissenting views over agreeable ones
“I think you will see that trait among a lot of the best investors and the smartest thinkers is that they take people who disagree with them more seriously than people who do agree with them.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 16:57
Insight
Housel: Being seven years early in investing is indistinguishable from being wrong
“Maybe he's seven years early. Which is indistinguishable from being wrong, I think.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 18:01
Insight
Housel: Analysts cling to incorrect positions to protect career stability
“There are analysts and economists who cling to positions that they know are wrong. They know in their head are wrong, but because of their career liability, their professional reputation, they don't want to change their mind out of fear of looking like a flip-…”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 20:08
Opinion
Housel: Charlie Munger explains complex topics better than anyone alive
“This is probably a cliche answer, but I think Charlie Munger has done a better job than anyone alive at taking really complicated topics and explaining them in a way that is simple and entertaining.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 22:08
Opinion
Housel: Jason Zweig is history's best financial journalist at explaining markets
“I think someone else who has done that incredibly well in the world of finances, Jason Zweig in the wall street journal, who has, Better than I think any financial journalist in history taken the complexities and the volatility of financial markets and explain…”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 23:13
Disclosure
Housel: He tests his writing by whether his mother would understand it
“And the litmus test that I always try to think about is, would my mom understand this? And my mom, my mom's a smart lady, but she has no interest in finance whatsoever. So it's, I always ask myself, like, after I write a paragraph, would my mom get that? And t…”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 25:51
Insight
Housel: Writing on a single subject gets harder over time as ideas deplete
“I think there's a paradox in that most fields, the more you do it, the better you get and the easier it gets. I think writing, especially writing about a single topic like investing, It's the other way around in that. So I've written 3600 articles now. So the …”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 27:59
Insight
Housel: Forcing deliberate idea generation does not work for writers
“What's definitely true, and I've heard this from other writers too, is that when you sit down and try to force yourself to think about a topic, you're never gonna get it. If you sit down and say, okay, I need to think about something What am I going to write? …”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 28:54
Opinion
Housel: Mixing politics and investing provides almost no value
“That's something that I have almost no tolerance for. Is mixing politics and investing. And there's a lot of it because the two fields are kind of cousins, right? But that's something that I just see almost no good about mixing politics and investing.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 30:27
Insight
Housel: The best information filter is finding trusted human curators
“So I think it's really important for anyone, whether you're doing this professionally or just, you're just you're just interested in finance. To have some filter, and the best way to have a filter is to find someone who you trust and let them be your filter.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 31:59
Opinion
Housel: American life changed more from 1900–1950 than 1950–2000
“And I think the difference in how life in America changed from 1900 to 1950 was an order of magnitude greater than how it changed from 1950 to 2000.”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 35:04
Insight
Housel: Society consistently believes it knows everything while harboring fundamental scientific errors
“I think at every point in history, there has been something, there have been two things, something that we were totally, 100% completely wrong about, and at the same time, a sense that we have figured everything out, and, you know, science, you know, we figure…”
Morgan Housel Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 55:07
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