Jun 19, 2025 · 44m · innovators-investors
Mastering Customer Acquisition: Insights from Frances Ann Capital Partners
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In this episode of the Innovators and Investors Podcast, host Christian Marquez interviews Rami Khoshan of Frances Ann Capital Partners about the firm's customer acquisition-centered investment thesis, fund structure, and the essential operational disciplines required for founders to scale sustainably.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
Kristian as informed peer 3.7 Guest teaching 4.3 Guest disagreement 1.0 Kristian pushing back 1.1
speaking balance: gold is Kristian, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 36:48 Direct rejection of host's premise on founder maturity
When Marquez asks whether founders now comfortably share bad news, Khoshan bluntly answers 'No' and explains that founders consistently hide their failures out of embarrassment.
Hardest push from Kristian ▶ 4:48 Host presses guest to choose between founder skill and product timingMarquez clarifies and restates his earlier question, pushing Khoshan to explicitly state whether he weights the founder's sales ability or the product's market timing higher.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 37:15 Khoshan explains why perfection in updates triggers investor suspicionKhoshan educates Marquez on investor psychology, explaining that when a founder reports zero issues while other portfolio companies face challenges, seasoned investors immediately suspect deceit.
Kristian holds their own ▶ 14:07 Marquez introduces financial metrics to validate acquisition thesisMarquez demonstrates his own CFO-level background by framing Frances Ann's acquisition philosophy in terms of lower CAC payback periods and higher LTV metrics.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Kristian as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Kristian pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Customer Acquisition Due Diligence and the Creation of CAMX Pro | 4 | 6 | 1 | 2 | Marquez asks a nuanced question about whether investor success is driven more by charismatic founders or right-place-right-time product timing. Khoshan educates him by explaining that they allocate 80% of due diligence specifically to customer acquisition strategy, detailing why other VC firms neglect this area and how Frances Ann built the CAMX Pro app to address it. | |
| Sales Strategy: Preparation, Target Alignment, and B2B vs B2C | 7 | 4 | 2 | 3 | Marquez actively contributes domain expertise by tying customer acquisition strategy directly to financial metrics such as CAC payback periods and lifetime value. Khoshan slightly adjusts the host's framing around sales psychology by emphasizing preparation and research over emotional manipulation. | |
| Rami Khoshan’s Career Journey: Public Wealth to Southwest Florida Venture Funds | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | Khoshan provides an extensive narrative of his 24 years in wealth management, founding Gingrass Global, piloting skilled trade funds in Detroit, and pioneering the first venture capital fund in Southwest Florida. Marquez acts purely as an engaged listener, chiming in only at the end. | |
| Frances Ann Capital's Portfolio Strategy: Ownership, Control, and Active Support | 4 | 5 | 0 | 1 | Marquez asks how Frances Ann engages with founders post-investment. Khoshan breaks down their philosophy into three pillars: sub-10% ownership, non-intrusive board control, and intensive, active support for customer introductions and eventual exit positioning. | |
| Utilizing Artificial Intelligence for Customer Feedback Loops and Productivity | 5 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Marquez introduces the topic of AI in customer acquisition, and Khoshan explains that founders should prioritize productivity and customer feedback loops rather than getting distracted by what competitors are doing. Marquez synthesizes this point well, observing that AI is a tool to support existing solutions. | |
| Macro Outlook 2025: Valuation Resets and Revenue-Focused Investing | 4 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Asked about the 2025 macro environment, Khoshan outlines the private market valuation overhang from 2021 and explains why Frances Ann is bullish on unglamorous, revenue-generating non-tech companies that accept realistic valuations. | |
| Founder Disciplines: Regular Reporting, Transparency, and Communicating Failure | 4 | 7 | 3 | 2 | Marquez asks if startup culture has matured enough for founders to openly share bad news with investors. Khoshan flatly disagrees, stating that human nature drives founders to pretend everything is perfect, and explains why investors become suspicious when a founder never reports difficulties. | |
| Advice to Younger Self: Risk-Taking, Resilience, and Moving Past Mistakes | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | In response to Marquez's standard closing question about advice to his younger self, Khoshan reflects on the necessity of moving past mistakes quickly, saving more capital early, and not dwelling excessively on past failures. | |
| Connecting with Rami Khoshan and Frances Ann Capital | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Standard conversational wrap-up and housekeeping where Khoshan shares his contact information and Marquez gives the podcast sign-off. |
Statements from this episode (11)
Khoshan: Southwest Florida remains largely unmined for venture capital deals
“Southwest Florida had largely been unmined and still has to this day. There's very little venture activity where there's a lot of probably wealth here and investors, but they're not necessarily mining for deals in Southwest Florida.”
Khoshan: Frances Ann Capital devotes 80% of diligence to customer acquisition
“So we prioritize 80% of our time and focus goes into understanding The customer acquisition strategy, and so we don't throw out the other 20%.”
Khoshan: Static multi-year customer profiles are obsolete in digital media
“It's customer acquisition is a living, breathing thing that needs to be updated all the time versus here's my customer profile for the next three years. Those days are long gone post The creation of the internet and digital media. So it's a constant evolving t…”
Frances Ann Capital is raising two $20M funds for Southwest Florida
“So we're now raising for two twenty million dollar funds that are just focused on Southwest Florida founders or founders that are selling here that benefit Southwest Florida, because there's, it's the very first venture capital fund ever to land here. Even tho…”
Khoshan: Frances Ann Capital caps portfolio ownership under 10%
“We don't want to own more than 10% of these companies. We truly want to use them for a lift to the next level. You know, get, we're, we want to be a part of the adventure of getting them lifted within three to five years to their next exit partner or acquisiti…”
Khoshan: Frances Ann Capital targets 18 to 25 companies per fund
“We only want to see about 20 to 25 companies in each of our funds, and maybe even 18, depending on what they need, because post first investment, we want to make sure that we are supporting their customer acquisition and however we can do that.”
Khoshan: Frances Ann deploys up to 1.5x follow-on checks for top performers
“Those that we, because we deploy an initial check size, and then to the top performers in the first 18 months of our fund, we deploy an identical, ah, one to one and a half times another check, similar, or one to one and a half, and then we also start to pay f…”
Khoshan: Trapped liquidity from unexecuted exits makes raising capital very difficult
“For anyone raising money, either in a fund or for their own company directly, it's very difficult to raise money right now because there's so much liquidity tied up in these exit events.”
Frances Ann Capital uses convertible notes to right-size founder valuations
“There are investors like us who are willing to do things on convertible notes and that to help you grow your valuation, but I, I'm bullish on, on businesses who are willing to kind of right side their valuation, but I can still bring in revenue and maybe do it…”
Khoshan: Founder reporting discipline is decisive when choosing between identical startups
“If I was given two founder teams, two entrepreneurs, and they were like in every category, and one could show me a history of some previous reporting that they'd done, even if they didn't have one stakeholder to send it to, if they had internally did, I'm defi…”
Khoshan: Founders who only report good news make investors suspicious
“The founders need to be aware of is that likely your investors have seen a lot more than you think they have, and they understand more than you think you do, and if you're always presenting like nothing's wrong, they're gonna start to think something's wrong, …”