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Jewett: Geothermal projects cannot be bank-financed solely on early commercial agreements
“When you look at the wind and solar industry, those industries are fairly de-risked, And so oftentimes you can, you know, sign a commercial agreement very early on and go finance against that commercial agreement because there's a lot of certainty around the e…”
EMF sensors proved inefficient for monitoring multi-conductor transmission corridors
“You can imagine trying to use EMF sensors to isolate the signal from each of those individual conductors and all the complicated map that goes into it. And long story short, that got really messy really quickly and was not kind of an efficient way to get the i…”
Commercial load growth is the primary driver forcing utilities to adopt technology
“Increasingly the one that we see Most often is around load growth when there's potentially new commercial load growth happening in their service territory. The last thing they want to do is to say, you know, we don't have that capacity. We're essentially turni…”
Because utilities do not compete, proven technologies can see hockey-stick adoption
“And one of the things that's nice about how utilities think is while they Do tend to move slowly initially. They're also not in competition with one another, which means that when they do find something that works and is repeatable, they talk to one another an…”
Utilities will not adopt new technology just because a pilot succeeded
“One thing that we've recognized is that at the end of the day, utilities are not going to adopt something because a pilot was successful in and of itself, nor are they going to adopt it because the technology is interesting or cool.”
Utility technology adoption starts with IOUs before trickling down to co-ops
“I think the natural adoption within the marketplace, and this is probably true of most utility technologies, is that it tends to start with the bigger ones, and as the ease of deployment and cost starts to come down and all of that good stuff happens, some of …”
Garabedian: Cleantech makers should use standard off-the-shelf equipment
“The approach we've always taken is avoid customization of equipment wherever possible. Use standard off-the-shelf equipment. You know, it can always be configured, so you'd consider that more tooling, but use available equipment that's well-proven, well-demons…”
Garabedian: Scaling the hydrogen market is harder than scaling clean-tech manufacturing
“But really it's the scaling of the market that's been the hardest, and that in hindsight I think we could have taken a different approach to.”
Madrone: Solar trackers produce an almost flat generation profile across the day
“One of the problems with solar is you're really peaky in the middle of the day, but when you add trackers, you're almost flat over the course of the day. And this is a huge deal for building a new kind of grid based on solar.”
Solar cost reductions consistently outpace hardware startup milestones
“And we were part of this amazing industry, the solar industry, that keeps deciding it's going to lower its costs much faster than anyone could ever predict. So that means we would get to our cost target, and the industry would have already moved way far ahead …”
Influential end customers drive heavy commodity supply chains to low-carbon tech
“This is true in commodities like steel and e-fuels because an influential end customer can push the rest of the chain to take a chance on a low-carbon product. It's definitely true here in Cement.”
Building electrification costs dwarf the green premium on low-carbon cement
“The premium that we pay for sustainability in terms of this building being all electric in terms of the quality of the systems and the nature of the systems that we're already building into the building makes the cost of the cement, even if it were the entire …”
Raising $100M-$200M only funds a single clean energy infrastructure project
“Most companies are raising a hundred million or two hundred million, which is just about enough to build one thing, and then you're out of money again.”
Double-digit storage growth triggers FOMO among traditionally cautious bank lenders
“When they see that a new sector like batteries is,
Is poised for double digit annual growth.
They don't want to see all that business go to their rivals.
They want to make sure they get on the ground floor too.
So there's kind of a chicken and egg thing where …”
The IRA structurally fails without private buyers for energy tax credits
“The IRA doesn't work without private parties that are willing to buy these credits, right? The government doesn't actually write us a check.”
Chan: Net-negative carbon removal requires permanent storage, not reuse
“There's plenty of storage around the world, and ultimately, if we want to be negative in our CO₂ removal, we need to be storing it and not reusing it. Otherwise, it's just kind of a circular economy there.”
Chan: Scaling direct air capture to billions requires non-recourse debt
“As companies look to get to scale, especially in direct air capture, and once you get to like triple digit, or even triple digit millions, or billions of dollars of capex, debt financing, non-recourse financing is, is ultimately going to be needed.”
Chan: CDR buyers waiting for proven deployment creates a vicious cycle
“So, kind of what we're seeing in the industry at the moment is people are kind of waiting to see that CDR can be deployed before they make the commitments as well. So, it's kind of this vicious cycle.”
Chan: Corporate offtake demand, not project financing, limits DAC scale
“Yeah, the thing that keeps me up most is definitely that first one that you mentioned, the market and the demand because your second one, like you said, the project financing that will come if the demand is there. So, having more businesses beyond those first …”
O'Donnell: Small Projects Are Extremely Difficult to Finance as Infrastructure
“Small projects, unless they're part of a big project portfolio, are very difficult to finance this infrastructure.”
O'Donnell: Hardware Startups Should Not Automate Manufacturing Too Early
“It's important not to automate manufacturing processes too early because you may lock yourself into a design that You didn't like that, ok, and now you've made it hugely expensive to change that.”
Engstrom: Decarbonizing energy requires grid operators to secure demand-side flexibility
“Taking carbon out of the supply of energy will only work if grid operators have the flexibility with respect to demand to meet this new supply stack that, that utilities are building.”
Engstrom: Residential electricity customers buy convenience, not commodity electrons
“Residential customers who, you know, ultimately I believe don't think they're buying electrons from their utility. They're buying convenience. I come home. I turn on my lights. I turn on my air conditioner. It works. They're not thinking about how much am I pa…”
Farooqi: Utilities should market dynamic pricing around savings, not peak penalties
“Why, why lead with the higher price? Lead with the lower price. I mean, that's like marketing one A, right? But we somehow, because of the cost of service mindset, can't seem to understand it. But all of us, our customers who go to Macy's, Nordstrom's, and Saf…”
Farooqi: The three key drivers of failed utility rate programs
“And so long peak periods, insufficient price differential, and bad marketing, those are the hallmarks of failure.”
Farooqi: Voluntary grid alerts lose impact without tangible financial incentives
“See, the problem with alerts is they only work a few times. Then it's like the, you know, the kid who cried wolf doesn't have an impact. You have to make it tangible by giving them a monetary payment or charging a higher price.”
Phillips: Treat smart meters as distributed computing platforms, not collection devices
“Once you start to think of this as a distributed platform, not just a data collection device, this entire world of making use of the data at the edge and AI machine learning at the edge starts to get opened up.”
Phillips: Legacy smart meter architecture cannot support real-time grid visibility
“Low-resolution data sent up to the service provider, made available later on, and look, there's some things you can do with that, but you just can't have a real-time, consumer-facing app, and then you can't see the grid in real-time from the edge either.”
Phillips: High-resolution meter data enables real-time grid fault detection
“What we've learned since then is that same high-resolution data lets us see, ah, the grid from the edge, lets us see transformers arcing, lets us see vegetation hanging power lines in real-time. That only happens through high-resolution data.”
Phillips: Next-gen smart meters require three core technical capabilities
“There are just these three main topics that I've been talking about, which is getting access to the right data, so high-resolution waveform data. It's well known how to do that. It's mature technology, we know how to do that. Having enough computation so that …”
Patel: Scaling climate tech requires process engineering over pure science
“However, the capabilities and the requirements to move to the next levels of scaling and to do it as quickly as possible, they move very quickly from technical insight and technical capability, particularly scientific insight and scientific capability, into th…”
Janus: Grid Capacity Shortfalls Only Occur During Limited Peak Hours Annually
“There's plenty of power most of the time. There's, you know, a number of hours a year where we don't have enough power, and so that's really what we're trying to solve for.”
Janus: Data Center Siting Shifted from Fiber to Eyeballs to Power
“If you look at the history of the cloud industry, it started with a focus on fiber, right? Get as close to the network as possible. That's why you have concentrations in places like Northern Virginia and Amsterdam, because those were some of the biggest networ…”
Kann: Transmission technology adoption pace is measured in years or decades
“It is important to be realistic about, like, the pace of adoption of basically anything in transmission, especially. It's measured in years or decades. It's not faster than that.”
Bhargava: Grid operators cannot manage millions of EVs without AI
“The bridge between the distribution operations team and the customer teams, that is coming. You know, that bridge is being built very quickly, and EVs are at the center of that, and I think you cannot actually build it without machine intelligence, because fun…”
Bhargava: Machine Learning Value Depends on Breaking Enterprise Data Silos
“The more you can break those data silos within any enterprise organization, the more value that machine learning gives you, and I think part of the reason that AI has not been as Exciting to a lot of power sector clients is the silos have existed for far too l…”
Ravindran: Utilities cannot scale modernization while separating grid and customer teams
“If you are Going to continue to operate in the sort of traditional paradigm of the grid side looks at the grid, and the customer side looks at customers. We're never going to make the kind of progress and scale the way that we want to.”
O'Donnell: Electricity Moves 1,000 Miles While Steam Moves 1,000 Meters
“We learned that you can move electricity a thousand miles, you can move steam a thousand meters.”
Munster: Cost-effective renewable hydrogen requires 24/7 facility operations
“There are very few cases in which you can produce hydrogen that's renewable and make it cost-effective for reliable delivery without having twenty-four-seven operations.”
Palazzi: Embedding data scientists with utility line workers accelerates AI adoption
“So something specific I've seen work very well is to embed teams of data scientists and software engineers with the lines of business. So to make sure that somebody who is a data scientist is actually sitting with a trader for a week, or sitting with the grid …”
Lee: $1M clean energy deals are not 1,000x simpler than $1B deals
“A one million-dollar deal is more simple than a
Billion dollar deal, but not a thousand times less. It still has its own contracts, counterparties, models to deal with all of that.”
Janis: Utility Capacity Shortages Are Usually Peak-Hour Issues, Not Year-Round
“Because the thing that I think people that work in this industry understand, but most people don't understand, is when a utility says that they don't have power, they don't mean that most of the time there's not power. They just mean there might be a handful o…”
Downing: VPPs are hard physical assets aggregated via software, not abstractions
“People misunderstand the word virtual to mean, you know, not real. When these are hard assets on the grid, it's not phone calls anymore. It's software integrations, and it's large aggregations of small resources that really add up to something very valuable.”
Downing: Wholesale prices for VPPs do not capture distribution value
“I think when you have virtual power plants bidding into wholesale markets and earning a price that represents the value to the bulk power system, It's an incomplete price, because it's not taking a, it's not taking account of the value to the distribution grid…”
Mulholland: Scientific AI gains most value from unpublished negative experiment results
“Unfortunately, from a scientific standpoint, the most valuable thing to AI is the two examples. But you know that those scientists did not just do two experiments. You know that those scientists did months and months and months of work and refinement and faile…”
Optimal battery performance requires co-optimizing cathode, anode, and electrolyte
“There is no best cathode. There is no best anode. There is no best electrolyte. You need to build the system that they are all compatible with each other to make the best battery.”
Kra: Value commodity startups on 10-15 year prices, not 2-year spikes
“When we're looking at companies that are making a commodity product, I want to look back 10 or 15 years at the commodity price. I don't want to invest against a two-year spike in something. You know, that's what a lot of people did in the polysilicon boom in 2…”