Mar 13, 2023 · 48m · green-blueprint

Introducing Discarded: Episode 1, David vs. Goliath

Gloria Riviera · 21m spoken Jane Patton · 6m spoken Sharon Lavigne · 3m spoken Mark Schleifstein · 3m spoken Michael McClanahan · 52s spoken Dr. Kimberly Terrell · 50s spoken Jo Banner · 38s spoken Milton Cayette · 17s spoken Protester / Choir Singer · 10s spoken Local Resident · 10s spoken News Reporter / Official · 7s spoken Environmental Activist · 7s spoken Industry / News Commentator · 6s spoken Choir Singer · 3s spoken Edwin Edwards · 2s spoken
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The premiere episode of Lemonada Media's 'Discarded' investigates Louisiana's Cancer Alley, spotlighting Sharon Lavigne's grassroots battle through Rise St. James to halt Formosa Plastics' multi-billion-dollar petrochemical expansion.

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The hosts as informed peer 4.7 Guest teaching 3.7 Guest disagreement 1.1 The hosts pushing back 0.2
05100:0015:0030:0045:001:00–5:23 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Sharon Lavigne's Divine Calling in St. James Parish Gloria Riviera establishes the narrative setting of St. James Parish, incorporating Sharon Lavigne's personal reflections on her divine calling to stay and fight. Sharon shares heartfelt oral history of her family's generational ties to the land without conflict or confrontation. The exchange is deeply collaborative and journalistic in nature.5:26–8:10 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 The Sunshine Project and the Reality of Cancer Alley The host presents factual reporting on Formosa Plastics' $9.4 billion Sunshine Project and the severe pollution metrics associated with Cancer Alley. Sharon and local activists express emotional defiance against industrial encroachment, emphasizing their determination not to abandon neighbors to toxic exposure.8:18–10:48 · The hosts as informed peer 3/10 A Personal Cancer Journey and the Story Ahead This segment is primarily a personal monologue by host Gloria Riviera detailing her brain cancer diagnosis and connecting her survival battle to the lived reality of residents in Cancer Alley. Because it functions as narrative framing with archival montage clips rather than a direct debate, host-side dynamic scores remain low.10:48–14:29 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Voices of the Congregation: Mika and Lisa Speak Out Gloria interviews church choir members Mika and Lisa regarding their differing perspectives on staying in or leaving St. James Parish. Lisa explains the crushing economic and emotional trap of pollution and depression, while Mika details ancestral roots that compel her to stay.14:30–17:03 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 Scientific Scrutiny: Dr. Kimberly Terrell on Pollution Dr. Kimberly Terrell breaks down the scientific consensus and regulatory absurdities surrounding cancer-causing emissions in southeast Louisiana. The host notes that establishing direct epidemiological causality remains controversial, prompting Dr. Terrell to firmly assert that communities of color are disproportionately burdened.17:03–24:46 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Investigative History: Mark Schleifstein on Industrial Dominance Veteran investigative reporter Mark Schleifstein educates the host on decades of industrial policy, corrupt political pacts under Governor Edwin Edwards, and regulatory capture at the Louisiana DEQ. Schleifstein provides vivid first-person anecdotes about chemical exposure and deceitful plant officials.25:04–32:41 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 Company Town Politics and Milton Cayette's Burden Michael McClanahan, Jo Banner, and Sharon's brother Milton Cayette detail the pervasive influence of 'company town' dynamics in River Parishes. Milton recounts working for decades in local plants despite knowing the health risks because of high wages, highlighting the painful trade-offs faced by local families.33:02–35:35 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Founding Rise St. James: Grassroots Mobilization Sharon recounts her refusal to accept the defeatist attitude of existing local groups when Formosa received state approval, prompting her to found Rise St. James. The host provides narrative structure around Sharon's transition from schoolteacher to full-time grassroots leader.35:36–46:09 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Plantation Roots, Tax Exploitation, and Legal Pushback Jane Patton provides a detailed structural critique connecting modern petrochemical development directly to plantation slavery and extractive tax schemes like ITEP. Patton challenges conventional talking points about job creation and exposes how massive corporate exemptions drain local community public resources.1:00–5:23 · Guest teaching 2/10 Sharon Lavigne's Divine Calling in St. James Parish Gloria Riviera establishes the narrative setting of St. James Parish, incorporating Sharon Lavigne's personal reflections on her divine calling to stay and fight. Sharon shares heartfelt oral history of her family's generational ties to the land without conflict or confrontation. The exchange is deeply collaborative and journalistic in nature.5:26–8:10 · Guest teaching 2/10 The Sunshine Project and the Reality of Cancer Alley The host presents factual reporting on Formosa Plastics' $9.4 billion Sunshine Project and the severe pollution metrics associated with Cancer Alley. Sharon and local activists express emotional defiance against industrial encroachment, emphasizing their determination not to abandon neighbors to toxic exposure.8:18–10:48 · Guest teaching 0/10 A Personal Cancer Journey and the Story Ahead This segment is primarily a personal monologue by host Gloria Riviera detailing her brain cancer diagnosis and connecting her survival battle to the lived reality of residents in Cancer Alley. Because it functions as narrative framing with archival montage clips rather than a direct debate, host-side dynamic scores remain low.10:48–14:29 · Guest teaching 3/10 Voices of the Congregation: Mika and Lisa Speak Out Gloria interviews church choir members Mika and Lisa regarding their differing perspectives on staying in or leaving St. James Parish. Lisa explains the crushing economic and emotional trap of pollution and depression, while Mika details ancestral roots that compel her to stay.14:30–17:03 · Guest teaching 6/10 Scientific Scrutiny: Dr. Kimberly Terrell on Pollution Dr. Kimberly Terrell breaks down the scientific consensus and regulatory absurdities surrounding cancer-causing emissions in southeast Louisiana. The host notes that establishing direct epidemiological causality remains controversial, prompting Dr. Terrell to firmly assert that communities of color are disproportionately burdened.17:03–24:46 · Guest teaching 6/10 Investigative History: Mark Schleifstein on Industrial Dominance Veteran investigative reporter Mark Schleifstein educates the host on decades of industrial policy, corrupt political pacts under Governor Edwin Edwards, and regulatory capture at the Louisiana DEQ. Schleifstein provides vivid first-person anecdotes about chemical exposure and deceitful plant officials.25:04–32:41 · Guest teaching 5/10 Company Town Politics and Milton Cayette's Burden Michael McClanahan, Jo Banner, and Sharon's brother Milton Cayette detail the pervasive influence of 'company town' dynamics in River Parishes. Milton recounts working for decades in local plants despite knowing the health risks because of high wages, highlighting the painful trade-offs faced by local families.33:02–35:35 · Guest teaching 2/10 Founding Rise St. James: Grassroots Mobilization Sharon recounts her refusal to accept the defeatist attitude of existing local groups when Formosa received state approval, prompting her to found Rise St. James. The host provides narrative structure around Sharon's transition from schoolteacher to full-time grassroots leader.35:36–46:09 · Guest teaching 7/10 Plantation Roots, Tax Exploitation, and Legal Pushback Jane Patton provides a detailed structural critique connecting modern petrochemical development directly to plantation slavery and extractive tax schemes like ITEP. Patton challenges conventional talking points about job creation and exposes how massive corporate exemptions drain local community public resources.1:00–5:23 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Sharon Lavigne's Divine Calling in St. James Parish Gloria Riviera establishes the narrative setting of St. James Parish, incorporating Sharon Lavigne's personal reflections on her divine calling to stay and fight. Sharon shares heartfelt oral history of her family's generational ties to the land without conflict or confrontation. The exchange is deeply collaborative and journalistic in nature.5:26–8:10 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Sunshine Project and the Reality of Cancer Alley The host presents factual reporting on Formosa Plastics' $9.4 billion Sunshine Project and the severe pollution metrics associated with Cancer Alley. Sharon and local activists express emotional defiance against industrial encroachment, emphasizing their determination not to abandon neighbors to toxic exposure.8:18–10:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 A Personal Cancer Journey and the Story Ahead This segment is primarily a personal monologue by host Gloria Riviera detailing her brain cancer diagnosis and connecting her survival battle to the lived reality of residents in Cancer Alley. Because it functions as narrative framing with archival montage clips rather than a direct debate, host-side dynamic scores remain low.10:48–14:29 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Voices of the Congregation: Mika and Lisa Speak Out Gloria interviews church choir members Mika and Lisa regarding their differing perspectives on staying in or leaving St. James Parish. Lisa explains the crushing economic and emotional trap of pollution and depression, while Mika details ancestral roots that compel her to stay.14:30–17:03 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Scientific Scrutiny: Dr. Kimberly Terrell on Pollution Dr. Kimberly Terrell breaks down the scientific consensus and regulatory absurdities surrounding cancer-causing emissions in southeast Louisiana. The host notes that establishing direct epidemiological causality remains controversial, prompting Dr. Terrell to firmly assert that communities of color are disproportionately burdened.17:03–24:46 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Investigative History: Mark Schleifstein on Industrial Dominance Veteran investigative reporter Mark Schleifstein educates the host on decades of industrial policy, corrupt political pacts under Governor Edwin Edwards, and regulatory capture at the Louisiana DEQ. Schleifstein provides vivid first-person anecdotes about chemical exposure and deceitful plant officials.25:04–32:41 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Company Town Politics and Milton Cayette's Burden Michael McClanahan, Jo Banner, and Sharon's brother Milton Cayette detail the pervasive influence of 'company town' dynamics in River Parishes. Milton recounts working for decades in local plants despite knowing the health risks because of high wages, highlighting the painful trade-offs faced by local families.33:02–35:35 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Founding Rise St. James: Grassroots Mobilization Sharon recounts her refusal to accept the defeatist attitude of existing local groups when Formosa received state approval, prompting her to found Rise St. James. The host provides narrative structure around Sharon's transition from schoolteacher to full-time grassroots leader.35:36–46:09 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Plantation Roots, Tax Exploitation, and Legal Pushback Jane Patton provides a detailed structural critique connecting modern petrochemical development directly to plantation slavery and extractive tax schemes like ITEP. Patton challenges conventional talking points about job creation and exposes how massive corporate exemptions drain local community public resources.1:00–5:23 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Sharon Lavigne's Divine Calling in St. James Parish Gloria Riviera establishes the narrative setting of St. James Parish, incorporating Sharon Lavigne's personal reflections on her divine calling to stay and fight. Sharon shares heartfelt oral history of her family's generational ties to the land without conflict or confrontation. The exchange is deeply collaborative and journalistic in nature.5:26–8:10 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 The Sunshine Project and the Reality of Cancer Alley The host presents factual reporting on Formosa Plastics' $9.4 billion Sunshine Project and the severe pollution metrics associated with Cancer Alley. Sharon and local activists express emotional defiance against industrial encroachment, emphasizing their determination not to abandon neighbors to toxic exposure.8:18–10:48 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 A Personal Cancer Journey and the Story Ahead This segment is primarily a personal monologue by host Gloria Riviera detailing her brain cancer diagnosis and connecting her survival battle to the lived reality of residents in Cancer Alley. Because it functions as narrative framing with archival montage clips rather than a direct debate, host-side dynamic scores remain low.10:48–14:29 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Voices of the Congregation: Mika and Lisa Speak Out Gloria interviews church choir members Mika and Lisa regarding their differing perspectives on staying in or leaving St. James Parish. Lisa explains the crushing economic and emotional trap of pollution and depression, while Mika details ancestral roots that compel her to stay.14:30–17:03 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 Scientific Scrutiny: Dr. Kimberly Terrell on Pollution Dr. Kimberly Terrell breaks down the scientific consensus and regulatory absurdities surrounding cancer-causing emissions in southeast Louisiana. The host notes that establishing direct epidemiological causality remains controversial, prompting Dr. Terrell to firmly assert that communities of color are disproportionately burdened.17:03–24:46 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Investigative History: Mark Schleifstein on Industrial Dominance Veteran investigative reporter Mark Schleifstein educates the host on decades of industrial policy, corrupt political pacts under Governor Edwin Edwards, and regulatory capture at the Louisiana DEQ. Schleifstein provides vivid first-person anecdotes about chemical exposure and deceitful plant officials.25:04–32:41 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Company Town Politics and Milton Cayette's Burden Michael McClanahan, Jo Banner, and Sharon's brother Milton Cayette detail the pervasive influence of 'company town' dynamics in River Parishes. Milton recounts working for decades in local plants despite knowing the health risks because of high wages, highlighting the painful trade-offs faced by local families.33:02–35:35 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Founding Rise St. James: Grassroots Mobilization Sharon recounts her refusal to accept the defeatist attitude of existing local groups when Formosa received state approval, prompting her to found Rise St. James. The host provides narrative structure around Sharon's transition from schoolteacher to full-time grassroots leader.35:36–46:09 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 Plantation Roots, Tax Exploitation, and Legal Pushback Jane Patton provides a detailed structural critique connecting modern petrochemical development directly to plantation slavery and extractive tax schemes like ITEP. Patton challenges conventional talking points about job creation and exposes how massive corporate exemptions drain local community public resources.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 37:03 Patton condemns modern industry as white supremacist exploitation

Jane Patton forcefully rejects sanitized corporate narratives, directly framing chemical corridor expansion as an ongoing continuation of plantation-era white supremacist exploitation.

Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 16:45 Host pushes back on the direct causality of pollution and cancer

Gloria Riviera challenges the simplicity of activist claims by pointing out that research establishing definitive epidemiological links between specific air risks and actual cancer clusters remains contested.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 42:20 Patton exposes temporary construction job myths vs tax giveaways

Jane Patton systematically deconstructs industry claims of economic stimulus, showing that advertised positions are overwhelmingly temporary construction roles while companies receive millions in tax exemptions.

The host holds their own ▶ 20:45 Host analyzes emissions reductions and historical regulatory milestones

Gloria Riviera demonstrates commanding investigative depth by contextualizing EPA milestones from 1988, calculating the timeline of emissions shifts, and probing the resurgence of industrial pollution.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
Sharon Lavigne's Divine Calling in St. James Parish 4200 Gloria Riviera establishes the narrative setting of St. James Parish, incorporating Sharon Lavigne's personal reflections on her divine calling to stay and fight. Sharon shares heartfelt oral history of her family's generational ties to the land without conflict or confrontation. The exchange is deeply collaborative and journalistic in nature.
The Sunshine Project and the Reality of Cancer Alley 5210 The host presents factual reporting on Formosa Plastics' $9.4 billion Sunshine Project and the severe pollution metrics associated with Cancer Alley. Sharon and local activists express emotional defiance against industrial encroachment, emphasizing their determination not to abandon neighbors to toxic exposure.
A Personal Cancer Journey and the Story Ahead 3000 This segment is primarily a personal monologue by host Gloria Riviera detailing her brain cancer diagnosis and connecting her survival battle to the lived reality of residents in Cancer Alley. Because it functions as narrative framing with archival montage clips rather than a direct debate, host-side dynamic scores remain low.
Voices of the Congregation: Mika and Lisa Speak Out 4310 Gloria interviews church choir members Mika and Lisa regarding their differing perspectives on staying in or leaving St. James Parish. Lisa explains the crushing economic and emotional trap of pollution and depression, while Mika details ancestral roots that compel her to stay.
Scientific Scrutiny: Dr. Kimberly Terrell on Pollution 5621 Dr. Kimberly Terrell breaks down the scientific consensus and regulatory absurdities surrounding cancer-causing emissions in southeast Louisiana. The host notes that establishing direct epidemiological causality remains controversial, prompting Dr. Terrell to firmly assert that communities of color are disproportionately burdened.
Investigative History: Mark Schleifstein on Industrial Dominance 6610 Veteran investigative reporter Mark Schleifstein educates the host on decades of industrial policy, corrupt political pacts under Governor Edwin Edwards, and regulatory capture at the Louisiana DEQ. Schleifstein provides vivid first-person anecdotes about chemical exposure and deceitful plant officials.
Company Town Politics and Milton Cayette's Burden 5510 Michael McClanahan, Jo Banner, and Sharon's brother Milton Cayette detail the pervasive influence of 'company town' dynamics in River Parishes. Milton recounts working for decades in local plants despite knowing the health risks because of high wages, highlighting the painful trade-offs faced by local families.
Founding Rise St. James: Grassroots Mobilization 4210 Sharon recounts her refusal to accept the defeatist attitude of existing local groups when Formosa received state approval, prompting her to found Rise St. James. The host provides narrative structure around Sharon's transition from schoolteacher to full-time grassroots leader.
Plantation Roots, Tax Exploitation, and Legal Pushback 6731 Jane Patton provides a detailed structural critique connecting modern petrochemical development directly to plantation slavery and extractive tax schemes like ITEP. Patton challenges conventional talking points about job creation and exposes how massive corporate exemptions drain local community public resources.

Statements from this episode (13)

Assertion Supported
Riviera: 150 chemical plants operate along New Orleans-Baton Rouge corridor
“This 85 mile stretch between New Orleans and Baton Rouge is known as the Industrial Corridor. There are some 150 plants and refineries up and down this part of the Mississippi that process oil and produce the chemicals that make up plastic.”
Gloria Riviera Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 4:14
Assertion Supported
Riviera: Formosa Plastics Bid $9.4B for 2,400 Acres in St. James Parish
“In 2018, Taiwanese-based Formosa Plastics Corporation put in a bid, a big bid, 9.4 billion dollars for 2400 acres in St. James Parish.”
Gloria Riviera Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 5:26
Assertion Supported
Riviera: The Sunshine Project Would Roughly Double Local Toxic Emissions
“Well, according to a Guardian article, this Sunshine Project would roughly double toxic emissions in its local area.”
Gloria Riviera Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 6:05
Assertion Supported
Dr. Terrell: EPA maps show heavy cancer-causing pollution between New Orleans and Baton Rouge
“If you look at any map from the EPA of levels of cancer-causing pollution, the entire area between New Orleans and Baton Rouge will light up”
Dr. Kimberly Terrell Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 15:30
Opinion
Dr. Terrell: Cancer Alley disproportionately burdens communities of color with pollution and cancer
“To me, Cancer Alley is a place in southeast Louisiana where communities of color are disproportionately burdened with air pollution and with cancer.”
Dr. Kimberly Terrell Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 16:53
Assertion Supported
Schleifstein: Water, transport, and salt domes drew petrochemical plants to Mississippi River
“Chemical plants were built on the Mississippi River because there's free water from the Mississippi, and there's free transportation, but you also have easy access to salt domes throughout the region that can be mined to make chlorine, which is the key ingredi…”
Mark Schleifstein Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 17:46
Assertion Supported
Schleifstein: Two-thirds of Louisiana emissions dropped over 15 years after EPA tracking
“The result of that was two-thirds of the emissions in Louisiana disappeared over the next 15 years.”
Mark Schleifstein Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 20:37
Assertion Not publicly verifiable
Schleifstein: Total industrial emissions in Louisiana increased over the past decade
“In the last five or 10 years, the industry, both because there are more of them, but also because the companies themselves have expanded their size and have increased the amount of product that they're producing, we're seeing an increase in the total amount of…”
Mark Schleifstein Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 21:00
Assertion Supported
Schleifstein: Louisiana DEQ rarely denies permits to industrial companies
“The result of that is that It's rare that companies do not get the permits that they need.”
Mark Schleifstein Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 23:56
Assertion Supported
Patton: Some Louisiana plants have violated Clean Air permits for over a decade
“Some of these plants have been in consistent violation of their Clean Air Act permits for more than a decade, and they are still in operation every day.”
Jane Patton Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 39:08
Assertion Supported
Patton: Oil and gas revenue share in Louisiana dropped from 40% to under 5%
“In the early eighties, when oil and gas was sort of at its peak, more than 40% of Louisiana state revenue came from oil and gas. Today, oil and gas pays less than five percent of Louisiana state revenue.”
Jane Patton Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 40:37
Assertion Supported
Patton: Marathon received $1.5M in ITEP tax exemptions per job created
“Under the ITEP program, Marathon was by far the largest benefactor from the program. At one point they were receiving 1.5 million dollars in tax exemptions per job that Marathon created.”
Jane Patton Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 42:58
Assertion Partly supported
Patton: St. John's budget almost doubled after taxing Marathon Petroleum's property
“When Marathon was actually forced by the parish council in St. John to put all of their, the property they own in St. John, and they are one of the largest landowners in St. John, when they were Required by the parish council to put that property on the tax ro…”
Jane Patton Mar 13, 2023 ▶ 43:42
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