Jun 1, 2023 · 26m · green-blueprint

Why Texas Republicans are trying to crush wind and solar

Chris Tomlinson · 15m spoken Stephen Lacey · 6m spoken Rick Perry · 19s spoken Greg Abbott · 12s spoken Texas House Presiding Officer · 2s spoken
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Host Stephen Lacey and Houston Chronicle columnist Chris Tomlinson analyze the political and legislative backlash against wind and solar in Texas. They examine the disinformation campaigns, market interventions, and primary politics driving anti-renewable policies despite strong economic fundamentals and broad public support.

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The hosts as informed peer 3.8 Guest teaching 3.7 Guest disagreement 1.3 The hosts pushing back 0.3
05100:0010:0020:000:00–5:33 · The hosts as informed peer 2/10 Event Announcements: Transition AI and Canary Media Live Lacey introduces the episode with event announcements and sets up the political drama in Austin with news clips, while Tomlinson provides color commentary on the chaotic final days of the legislative session.5:45–9:58 · The hosts as informed peer 3/10 The Origins of the Texas Renewable Energy Boom Lacey traces the origins back to George W. Bush and Rick Perry, prompting Tomlinson to explain the economic history of ERCOT, the shale boom perfected by George Mitchell, and deregulation.9:58–12:14 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Winter Storm Uri and the Anti-Renewables Disinformation Campaign Lacey highlights how gas infrastructure failed during Winter Storm Uri despite renewables taking the blame, leading Tomlinson to unpack the coordinated disinformation campaign involving TXOGA and the Railroad Commission.12:15–15:33 · The hosts as informed peer 3/10 Legislative Backlash and the Fight Over Senate Bill 624 Lacey asks about the wave of 171 anti-renewable bills, and Tomlinson delivers detailed reporting on Senate Bill 624 and the wealthy hobby ranch owners backing the restrictive permitting push.15:33–21:18 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 Passed Energy Policies: Interconnection Costs and Firming Quotas Lacey presses on the asymmetry between renewable firming mandates and gas plant weatherization, prompting Tomlinson to discuss pipeline price manipulation lawsuits and assess the policy damage as a kneecap rather than annihilation.21:18–25:41 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Primary Politics, Clean Energy Contradictions, and Long-Term Trends Lacey demonstrates high expertise by outlining the contradiction of federal IRA investments concentrated in Republican districts while GOP leaders oppose them. Tomlinson explains the primary voter dynamics and long-term depletion of tier-one oil assets.0:00–5:33 · Guest teaching 1/10 Event Announcements: Transition AI and Canary Media Live Lacey introduces the episode with event announcements and sets up the political drama in Austin with news clips, while Tomlinson provides color commentary on the chaotic final days of the legislative session.5:45–9:58 · Guest teaching 4/10 The Origins of the Texas Renewable Energy Boom Lacey traces the origins back to George W. Bush and Rick Perry, prompting Tomlinson to explain the economic history of ERCOT, the shale boom perfected by George Mitchell, and deregulation.9:58–12:14 · Guest teaching 4/10 Winter Storm Uri and the Anti-Renewables Disinformation Campaign Lacey highlights how gas infrastructure failed during Winter Storm Uri despite renewables taking the blame, leading Tomlinson to unpack the coordinated disinformation campaign involving TXOGA and the Railroad Commission.12:15–15:33 · Guest teaching 5/10 Legislative Backlash and the Fight Over Senate Bill 624 Lacey asks about the wave of 171 anti-renewable bills, and Tomlinson delivers detailed reporting on Senate Bill 624 and the wealthy hobby ranch owners backing the restrictive permitting push.15:33–21:18 · Guest teaching 4/10 Passed Energy Policies: Interconnection Costs and Firming Quotas Lacey presses on the asymmetry between renewable firming mandates and gas plant weatherization, prompting Tomlinson to discuss pipeline price manipulation lawsuits and assess the policy damage as a kneecap rather than annihilation.21:18–25:41 · Guest teaching 4/10 Primary Politics, Clean Energy Contradictions, and Long-Term Trends Lacey demonstrates high expertise by outlining the contradiction of federal IRA investments concentrated in Republican districts while GOP leaders oppose them. Tomlinson explains the primary voter dynamics and long-term depletion of tier-one oil assets.0:00–5:33 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Event Announcements: Transition AI and Canary Media Live Lacey introduces the episode with event announcements and sets up the political drama in Austin with news clips, while Tomlinson provides color commentary on the chaotic final days of the legislative session.5:45–9:58 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Origins of the Texas Renewable Energy Boom Lacey traces the origins back to George W. Bush and Rick Perry, prompting Tomlinson to explain the economic history of ERCOT, the shale boom perfected by George Mitchell, and deregulation.9:58–12:14 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Winter Storm Uri and the Anti-Renewables Disinformation Campaign Lacey highlights how gas infrastructure failed during Winter Storm Uri despite renewables taking the blame, leading Tomlinson to unpack the coordinated disinformation campaign involving TXOGA and the Railroad Commission.12:15–15:33 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Legislative Backlash and the Fight Over Senate Bill 624 Lacey asks about the wave of 171 anti-renewable bills, and Tomlinson delivers detailed reporting on Senate Bill 624 and the wealthy hobby ranch owners backing the restrictive permitting push.15:33–21:18 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Passed Energy Policies: Interconnection Costs and Firming Quotas Lacey presses on the asymmetry between renewable firming mandates and gas plant weatherization, prompting Tomlinson to discuss pipeline price manipulation lawsuits and assess the policy damage as a kneecap rather than annihilation.21:18–25:41 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Primary Politics, Clean Energy Contradictions, and Long-Term Trends Lacey demonstrates high expertise by outlining the contradiction of federal IRA investments concentrated in Republican districts while GOP leaders oppose them. Tomlinson explains the primary voter dynamics and long-term depletion of tier-one oil assets.0:00–5:33 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Event Announcements: Transition AI and Canary Media Live Lacey introduces the episode with event announcements and sets up the political drama in Austin with news clips, while Tomlinson provides color commentary on the chaotic final days of the legislative session.5:45–9:58 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 The Origins of the Texas Renewable Energy Boom Lacey traces the origins back to George W. Bush and Rick Perry, prompting Tomlinson to explain the economic history of ERCOT, the shale boom perfected by George Mitchell, and deregulation.9:58–12:14 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Winter Storm Uri and the Anti-Renewables Disinformation Campaign Lacey highlights how gas infrastructure failed during Winter Storm Uri despite renewables taking the blame, leading Tomlinson to unpack the coordinated disinformation campaign involving TXOGA and the Railroad Commission.12:15–15:33 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Legislative Backlash and the Fight Over Senate Bill 624 Lacey asks about the wave of 171 anti-renewable bills, and Tomlinson delivers detailed reporting on Senate Bill 624 and the wealthy hobby ranch owners backing the restrictive permitting push.15:33–21:18 · The hosts pushing back 2/10 Passed Energy Policies: Interconnection Costs and Firming Quotas Lacey presses on the asymmetry between renewable firming mandates and gas plant weatherization, prompting Tomlinson to discuss pipeline price manipulation lawsuits and assess the policy damage as a kneecap rather than annihilation.21:18–25:41 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Primary Politics, Clean Energy Contradictions, and Long-Term Trends Lacey demonstrates high expertise by outlining the contradiction of federal IRA investments concentrated in Republican districts while GOP leaders oppose them. Tomlinson explains the primary voter dynamics and long-term depletion of tier-one oil assets.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:23 Questioning the official blackout excuse

Tomlinson challenges the standard narrative that gas plants merely broke down from cold, pointing to active litigation accusing pipeline owners of intentionally withholding gas to manipulate market prices.

Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 17:55 Pressing on gas plant accountability

Lacey pushes back on the policy disparity by directly asking whether gas plants that failed during Winter Storm Uri faced comparable emergency requirements to the new quotas imposed on renewables.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:00 Unmasking the donors behind anti-wind zoning

Tomlinson educates listeners and the host on the hidden special interests driving SB 624, specifically naming wealthy landowners like Dan Friedkin and the Bass Brothers fighting to preserve views from their hobby ranches.

The host holds their own ▶ 22:33 Lacey catalogs national clean energy political ironies

Lacey demonstrates comprehensive subject-matter mastery by citing specific national data on IRA manufacturing investments flowing to red districts while congressional Republicans fought to repeal the funds.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
Event Announcements: Transition AI and Canary Media Live 2110 Lacey introduces the episode with event announcements and sets up the political drama in Austin with news clips, while Tomlinson provides color commentary on the chaotic final days of the legislative session.
The Origins of the Texas Renewable Energy Boom 3410 Lacey traces the origins back to George W. Bush and Rick Perry, prompting Tomlinson to explain the economic history of ERCOT, the shale boom perfected by George Mitchell, and deregulation.
Winter Storm Uri and the Anti-Renewables Disinformation Campaign 4410 Lacey highlights how gas infrastructure failed during Winter Storm Uri despite renewables taking the blame, leading Tomlinson to unpack the coordinated disinformation campaign involving TXOGA and the Railroad Commission.
Legislative Backlash and the Fight Over Senate Bill 624 3520 Lacey asks about the wave of 171 anti-renewable bills, and Tomlinson delivers detailed reporting on Senate Bill 624 and the wealthy hobby ranch owners backing the restrictive permitting push.
Passed Energy Policies: Interconnection Costs and Firming Quotas 5422 Lacey presses on the asymmetry between renewable firming mandates and gas plant weatherization, prompting Tomlinson to discuss pipeline price manipulation lawsuits and assess the policy damage as a kneecap rather than annihilation.
Primary Politics, Clean Energy Contradictions, and Long-Term Trends 6410 Lacey demonstrates high expertise by outlining the contradiction of federal IRA investments concentrated in Republican districts while GOP leaders oppose them. Tomlinson explains the primary voter dynamics and long-term depletion of tier-one oil assets.

Statements from this episode (18)

Assertion Supported
Lacey: Texas leads the US in wind and solar under 20-year GOP control
“Texas is a state where Republicans dominate every part of government. The governor's office, secretary of state, attorney general, both legislative chambers. It's been that way for two decades. It also happens to be a state with the most wind and utility scale…”
Stephen Lacey Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 3:46
Assertion Supported
Tomlinson: Renewables are eroding natural gas's market share in Texas
“They have taken a huge chunk of the market away from coal, and they're cutting into natural gas's market share for providing electricity to the state, and there are oil and gas guys who really don't want to give up anything else.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 4:37
Assertion Supported
Tomlinson: Texas lawmakers proposed requiring 50% fossil fuel energy mandate
“One of the proposals was to mandate that 50% of Texas energy must come from fossil fuels. That measure didn't pass, but it kind of set the tone for what followed.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 5:03
Assertion Supported
Tomlinson: Wind and solar saved Texans $31B over the last decade
“Well, you know, the Texas Consumer Association says that we saved about thirty-one billion dollars on our electricity bills over the last decade, thanks to wind and solar.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 8:32
Opinion
Abbott: 2021 Texas blackouts prove fossil fuels are necessary
“Sean, this shows how the Green New Deal would be a deadly deal for the United States of America. As a result it just shows that fossil fuel is necessary for the state of Texas as well as other states.”
Greg Abbott Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 10:26
Assertion Supported
Tomlinson: Viral anti-wind freeze image was a three-year-old Swedish photo
“They had a spokesman who tweeted out an image of a helicopter spraying a liquid onto a wind turbine, and the caption was, a fossil fuel powered helicopter sprays fossil fuels on a clean energy device to generate electricity. Now, of course, the image was not f…”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 10:45
Assertion Contradicted
Tomlinson: A Texas bill proposed banning all future renewable energy development
“Well, I mean, there was one bill to ban all future renewable energy development.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 12:56
Assertion Partly supported
Texas SB 624 proposed letting distant residents block renewable energy projects
“The big, nasty bill that was You know, still alive as of Saturday until it was ripped out by negotiators was something called Senate Bill six 24. And it creates a list of places where if a wind farm is within 10 miles or a solar facility is within five miles o…”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 13:20
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Tomlinson: Bass Brothers and Dan Friedkin pushed SB 624 to preserve ranch views
“And we know where that comes from. It's a coalition of wealthy landowners it's the Bass Brothers from Fort Worth. It's Dan Friedkin, who's a Hollywood producer and banker. We know about the folks down in South Texas. These are people who own hobby ranches. Rea…”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 14:20
Assertion Partly supported
Tomlinson: Texas transmission lines cost about $1M per mile
“And it's about a million dollars a mile to run a transmission line in Texas.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 16:18
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Tomlinson: New firming requirements will definitely slow Texas renewable investment
“This is going to be really expensive. It's also going to be highly political because we don't know yet what the PUC will assign to different facilities, but it will definitely slow down new investment in Texas, renewable energy.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 17:39
Assertion Contradicted
Tomlinson: Texas is the only state where pipelines own in-pipe gas
“Texas is the only state in the country where pipelines get to own the gas inside the pipeline, and it allows pipeline generators to manipulate prices.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 18:34
Assertion Partly supported
Tomlinson: Texas gives natural gas generators $9B annually in subsidies
“They are giving natural gas generators nine billion dollars a year in subsidies to help them compete with renewables.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 20:30
Assertion Partly supported
Tomlinson: 80 GW of battery storage is in ERCOT's interconnection queue
“You know, we've got 80 gigawatts of battery storage in the queue to interconnect into the ERCOT grid at, right now.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 20:53
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Tomlinson: Texas energy laws will make battery storage more economical
“A lot of these laws will make that battery storage even more economical, even if it's going to hurt future wind and solar projects.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 21:02
Assertion Partly supported
Lacey: Over 80% of US renewables are in Republican districts
“Over 80% of renewables are installed in Republican districts around the country.”
Stephen Lacey Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 22:47
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Tomlinson: Tier 1 oil and gas reserves are running out
“We are running out of proven reserves in what we call tier one assets. So the cheapest, easiest oil and gas to obtain has been drilled.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 25:01
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Tomlinson: Natural gas prices will inevitably rise over next 5-10 years
“So as we see natural gas prices rise, as they inevitably will over the next five to 10 years, We'll also see renewables become more popular as conservative politicians try to save consumers money.”
Chris Tomlinson Jun 1, 2023 ▶ 25:25
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