Sep 7, 2023 · 19m · green-blueprint

Inflation headwinds for offshore wind

Jan Matthiessen · 9m spoken Stephen Lacey · 6m spoken
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This episode of The Carbon Copy explores how post-pandemic inflation, rising interest rates, and supply chain bottlenecks are challenging offshore wind developments in the United States and Europe, while examining the technological innovations that will support the industry's long-term expansion.

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The hosts as informed peer 3.8 Guest teaching 2.2 Guest disagreement 0.4 The hosts pushing back 0.2
05100:0010:000:01–2:03 · The hosts as informed peer 0/10 Upcoming Transition AI and Canary Live October Events Introductory event announcements and promotional ads for upcoming live conferences. As a monologue/promotional opening, there is no direct host-guest dynamic.2:09–5:38 · The hosts as informed peer 5/10 Introduction to Offshore Wind Scale and Rising Inflation Narrated intro where Stephen Lacey frames the physical scale of modern offshore wind turbines alongside data on capacity cancellations and rising inflation. Jan Matthiessen provides complementary engineering context.5:49–11:17 · The hosts as informed peer 6/10 Supply Chain Inflation, Financing Pressures, and Offshore Risks The host asks informed, structured questions regarding interest rate hikes, balance sheet requirements, and differences between onshore and offshore vulnerabilities. Matthiessen breaks down supply chain capex and clarifies the developer landscape.11:29–15:00 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Long-Term Outlook, Floating Wind, and Market Resilience The host invites long-term projections on floating wind and market recovery. Matthiessen carefully caveats that he is an engineer rather than an economist before detailing macroeconomic and geopolitical tailwinds.15:01–17:42 · The hosts as informed peer 4/10 Maritime Decarbonization and Offshore Wind-to-Hydrogen Integration Stephen asks about maritime decarbonization and green hydrogen feasibility. Matthiessen offers a thorough breakdown of systemic infrastructure challenges compared to conventional grid-tied offshore wind.0:01–2:03 · Guest teaching 0/10 Upcoming Transition AI and Canary Live October Events Introductory event announcements and promotional ads for upcoming live conferences. As a monologue/promotional opening, there is no direct host-guest dynamic.2:09–5:38 · Guest teaching 2/10 Introduction to Offshore Wind Scale and Rising Inflation Narrated intro where Stephen Lacey frames the physical scale of modern offshore wind turbines alongside data on capacity cancellations and rising inflation. Jan Matthiessen provides complementary engineering context.5:49–11:17 · Guest teaching 3/10 Supply Chain Inflation, Financing Pressures, and Offshore Risks The host asks informed, structured questions regarding interest rate hikes, balance sheet requirements, and differences between onshore and offshore vulnerabilities. Matthiessen breaks down supply chain capex and clarifies the developer landscape.11:29–15:00 · Guest teaching 2/10 Long-Term Outlook, Floating Wind, and Market Resilience The host invites long-term projections on floating wind and market recovery. Matthiessen carefully caveats that he is an engineer rather than an economist before detailing macroeconomic and geopolitical tailwinds.15:01–17:42 · Guest teaching 4/10 Maritime Decarbonization and Offshore Wind-to-Hydrogen Integration Stephen asks about maritime decarbonization and green hydrogen feasibility. Matthiessen offers a thorough breakdown of systemic infrastructure challenges compared to conventional grid-tied offshore wind.0:01–2:03 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Upcoming Transition AI and Canary Live October Events Introductory event announcements and promotional ads for upcoming live conferences. As a monologue/promotional opening, there is no direct host-guest dynamic.2:09–5:38 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Introduction to Offshore Wind Scale and Rising Inflation Narrated intro where Stephen Lacey frames the physical scale of modern offshore wind turbines alongside data on capacity cancellations and rising inflation. Jan Matthiessen provides complementary engineering context.5:49–11:17 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Supply Chain Inflation, Financing Pressures, and Offshore Risks The host asks informed, structured questions regarding interest rate hikes, balance sheet requirements, and differences between onshore and offshore vulnerabilities. Matthiessen breaks down supply chain capex and clarifies the developer landscape.11:29–15:00 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Long-Term Outlook, Floating Wind, and Market Resilience The host invites long-term projections on floating wind and market recovery. Matthiessen carefully caveats that he is an engineer rather than an economist before detailing macroeconomic and geopolitical tailwinds.15:01–17:42 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Maritime Decarbonization and Offshore Wind-to-Hydrogen Integration Stephen asks about maritime decarbonization and green hydrogen feasibility. Matthiessen offers a thorough breakdown of systemic infrastructure challenges compared to conventional grid-tied offshore wind.0:01–2:03 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Upcoming Transition AI and Canary Live October Events Introductory event announcements and promotional ads for upcoming live conferences. As a monologue/promotional opening, there is no direct host-guest dynamic.2:09–5:38 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Introduction to Offshore Wind Scale and Rising Inflation Narrated intro where Stephen Lacey frames the physical scale of modern offshore wind turbines alongside data on capacity cancellations and rising inflation. Jan Matthiessen provides complementary engineering context.5:49–11:17 · The hosts pushing back 1/10 Supply Chain Inflation, Financing Pressures, and Offshore Risks The host asks informed, structured questions regarding interest rate hikes, balance sheet requirements, and differences between onshore and offshore vulnerabilities. Matthiessen breaks down supply chain capex and clarifies the developer landscape.11:29–15:00 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Long-Term Outlook, Floating Wind, and Market Resilience The host invites long-term projections on floating wind and market recovery. Matthiessen carefully caveats that he is an engineer rather than an economist before detailing macroeconomic and geopolitical tailwinds.15:01–17:42 · The hosts pushing back 0/10 Maritime Decarbonization and Offshore Wind-to-Hydrogen Integration Stephen asks about maritime decarbonization and green hydrogen feasibility. Matthiessen offers a thorough breakdown of systemic infrastructure challenges compared to conventional grid-tied offshore wind.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:20 Caveating economic forecasting limits

Matthiessen gently resists the host's invitation to make definitive economic timeline forecasts, noting he is not an economist and explaining persistent geopolitical factors.

Hardest push from the hosts ▶ 10:36 Probing developer profiles

Lacey presses on whether the capital intensity of offshore wind leaves oil and gas supermajors as the only viable developers able to weather the downturn.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 16:20 Explaining the multi-sided hydrogen challenge

Matthiessen educates on why offshore wind-to-hydrogen is fundamentally harder than power generation, requiring simultaneous buildout of production, specialized transport, and industrial end-user demand.

The host holds their own ▶ 5:23 Citing policy targets and project cancellations

Lacey marshals precise data regarding Biden's 30 GW target, recent cancellations off Massachusetts and Rhode Island, and Vattenfall's 40% cost hike to frame the industry crisis.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe hosts as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe hosts pushing backWhy
Upcoming Transition AI and Canary Live October Events 0000 Introductory event announcements and promotional ads for upcoming live conferences. As a monologue/promotional opening, there is no direct host-guest dynamic.
Introduction to Offshore Wind Scale and Rising Inflation 5200 Narrated intro where Stephen Lacey frames the physical scale of modern offshore wind turbines alongside data on capacity cancellations and rising inflation. Jan Matthiessen provides complementary engineering context.
Supply Chain Inflation, Financing Pressures, and Offshore Risks 6311 The host asks informed, structured questions regarding interest rate hikes, balance sheet requirements, and differences between onshore and offshore vulnerabilities. Matthiessen breaks down supply chain capex and clarifies the developer landscape.
Long-Term Outlook, Floating Wind, and Market Resilience 4210 The host invites long-term projections on floating wind and market recovery. Matthiessen carefully caveats that he is an engineer rather than an economist before detailing macroeconomic and geopolitical tailwinds.
Maritime Decarbonization and Offshore Wind-to-Hydrogen Integration 4400 Stephen asks about maritime decarbonization and green hydrogen feasibility. Matthiessen offers a thorough breakdown of systemic infrastructure challenges compared to conventional grid-tied offshore wind.

Statements from this episode (8)

Assertion Supported
Offshore wind installations dropped after reaching 21,000 MW in 2021
“In twenty-twenty-one, offshore wind developers built 21,000 megawatts of capacity, but installations are down, and that's because the financial picture has worsened over the last two years, thanks largely to inflation.”
Stephen Lacey Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 3:58
Assertion Supported
Delayed or canceled projects equal 10% of EU and US capacity
“In the last few months, three major projects in Europe and America have been delayed or canceled thanks to rapidly rising costs. Those projects make up more than 10% of current offshore wind capacity already installed in the EU and US.”
Stephen Lacey Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 4:28
Assertion Supported
Bloomberg: 9.7 GW of US offshore wind at risk of contract renegotiation
“And Bloomberg says another 9.7 gigawatts are at risk in America as developers look to renegotiate contracts.”
Stephen Lacey Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 4:42
Assertion Supported
Vattenfall halted major offshore wind project due to 40% cost increase
“Many projects are still going forward, but the European utility Vattenfall just shut down construction of one of the biggest wind farms in the region, Setting a 40% rise in costs.”
Stephen Lacey Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 6:23
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Offshore wind is facing broad cost increases of around 20%
“So that means cost increases, and we're looking at around 20%, and it's getting really, that is really cutting across not only offshore wind, but it's also, you know, impacting other sectors.”
Jan Matthiessen Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 7:17
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Offshore wind LCOE can sometimes beat onshore wind due to scale
“But then on the other side, you can generate electricity at much larger scale. So the turbines are much larger, more efficiency you know, higher wind speeds offshore. And that means that actually the levelized cost of energy is actually lower than for example,…”
Jan Matthiessen Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 10:19
Prediction Open · timeframe Sep 2028
Floating offshore wind will scale commercially and achieve further cost reductions
“Projects are becoming bigger, and we will see floating wind, floating offshore wind becoming commercially much more scaled, much larger than we see in the moment. And that will we see further cost reduction, I'm sure because of the scale and larger projects, l…”
Jan Matthiessen Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 12:32
Insight
Scaling green hydrogen is more complex due to lack of existing infrastructure
“Well, in offshore wind, in a way, we focused on the production sites, you know, putting offshore winter ones in the water, but There is a grid system. There's an electricity market that we can plug in. So from this perspective, offshore wind was an easy one. Y…”
Jan Matthiessen Sep 7, 2023 ▶ 17:14
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