Bret Taylor
CEO & Co-Founder, Sierra · 1 appearance on the record.
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Bret Taylor is the CEO and co-founder of conversational AI startup Sierra and chairs the board of OpenAI. He previously served as co-CEO of Salesforce, CTO of Facebook, and co-created Google Maps.
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Taylor: Coding agent success doesn't translate to broad knowledge work
“And so it's not like impossible for an agent to use those things, but the idea that you can like straight line from coding agents to writing the Stripe annual letter, I don't totally buy.”
Taylor: Mimicking codebases is currently the best harness for AI agents
“I wonder if in the short term, it might just be one of those idiosyncrasies of history, like mimicking a code base is actually the best way to make a general purpose agent work. And maybe over time we'll get fancier than that, but it's actually like a relative…”
Taylor: In agentic development, PRDs and intent are more durable than code
“Where there's a lot in, in the code that is more transient. You know, you might be fine to Delete that. What was the intention? What was the PRD? Like, what was the customer problem? Is actually the more durable asset.”
Taylor: Future engineers cannot be precious about writing code by hand
“I feel like I won't be like a self,
Self-actualized software engineer in the future, if I'm too precious about that artifact, which used to be so central to me.”
Taylor: Hierarchical multi-agent architectures are elegant on whiteboards but nonsensical
“I feel like this view of a multi-agent world was you have all these agents that do tasks that are fraud detection. You know, another one over here for, you know, personalization, and then you make a super agent, it does all these things, and it looks really go…”
Taylor: Future AI agents will evolve away from Model Context Protocol
“My sense is we're making true agents over time the way we think about context and how that context is sort of like shared so that the agent that's orchestrated it actually understands sort of what's behind all these APIs and why and the history will maybe look…”
Taylor: AI agents will become the primary digital interface for most businesses
“And so then you look at AI agents, and I believe most businesses, it will be their primary digital interface, and it's because it works over WhatsApp, and it works over the phone.”
Taylor: Broadly accessible AI is an imperative, not a competitive advantage
“If every single company in an industry has access to technology, I would say it's an imperative, not a competitive advantage.”
Taylor: SaaS sector will likely lose value over the next ten years
“Will these companies be less valuable 10 years from now than now? I think the answer is probably yes. Will that be true for every individual company? I don't think that's true.”
Taylor: Database ledgers are durable against AI; systems of engagement are not
“My theory is the closer you get to literally the database is the value, i.e. A ledger, the more durable it is. The closer you get to be in a system of engagement, the less durable it is.”
Taylor: Pausing model development today still leaves trillions in unrealized economic value
“I think if we paused model development, we'd still have trillions of dollars of economic value. That have yet to be realized.”
Taylor: AI adoption is bottlenecked by startups building tools over business agents
“I actually think one of the main things impeding adoption of AI is the lack of existence of all those other companies. And so many of the startups, particularly around here in San Francisco are basically doing relatively rote kind of tools around the AI rather…”
Taylor: Software engineering shifted from the most scarce to most plentiful asset
“Software engineering was the most scarce access asset in a company, and now it's the most plentiful, and I don't think we've ever lived in that world.”
Taylor: Atomic unit of AI productivity is a process, not a person
“I think the atomic unit of productivity in AI is a process, not a person.”
Taylor: Automating entire departments is science; automating specific processes is engineering
“And my point on it is, if you look at it through the lens of like an end-to-end business process, you can turn science into engineering. And I think solving legal through AI, that's a science problem.”
Taylor: Generalist product engineers using AI are worth 1,000x other engineers
“With the presence of Codex, you can produce amazing results. Those people are truly worth a thousand X other people, because it's relatively easy to find someone who's a great infrastructure engineer. Not easy easy, but like relatively. Finding someone with go…”
Taylor: Most Silicon Valley companies will stop hand-writing code by mid-2026
“And then the other thing is I think most companies in Silicon Valley won't write code by hand.”
Taylor: Sierra AI agents are calling each other in English over PSTN
“So, we have payers with AI agents that pick up the phone. And we have providers that have AI agents that pick up the phone and make phone calls. We have revenue cycle management companies that work to make outbound calls to do it. We've already had- ... We've …”
Taylor: Agent-to-agent phone calls are temporary until better harnesses emerge
“I think it's great that our agents have spoken over the telephone already in English. ... But I don't think it's like the long-term future because there's so much value that you can provide. And put another way, the agents using a sophisticated... Application …”
Taylor: Sierra reached $100M ARR in seven quarters, now around $165M
“We reached a hundred million dollars in ARR in seven quarters, a 150 in eight quarters. We're, I think, around one 65 now, one month into our you know, next quarter or so.”
Taylor: Ramp automates 90% of its customer support cases using Sierra
“Well, they're automating 90% of their cases.”
Taylor: Grounding AI agents is harder for famous brands than obscure ones
“It's actually easier when the internet has never heard of you and you want to make a well-grounded agent, it's actually pretty easy because there's no temptation from the LLMs to go off script. So actually, I would say. Ironically, the harder challenge is when…”
Taylor: Applied AI startups must build ahead of models and discard code
“So the interesting part about building an applied AI company is you can't have the luxury Of waiting for all the models to catch up with your aspirations. But you know they will. So you have to have the best technology and have to be comfortable with throwing …”
Taylor: Sierra uses outcome-based pricing, charging only for fully resolved cases
“So, we do outcomes-based pricing. So, for a customer service context, that means if the AI agent resolves the case, no human intervention there's a pre-negotiated sort of rate for that, and if we do have to escalate to a person, it's free. For sales, it would …”
Appearances (1)
| Episode | Date | Speaking time |
|---|---|---|
| Bret Taylor of Sierra on AI agents, outcome-based pricing, and the OpenAI board | Mar 10, 2026 | 1h 13m |