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Opinion
Tian: Alibaba's asset-light business model is an "original sin."
“That's exactly the way that Alibaba did the business, and I actually, I think it's potentially an original sin. It's the way that eBay thought, and it didn't really work out that well for them versus, let's say, an Amazon.”
Mike Tian Sep 6, 2021 ▶ 26:08 Mike Tian – Moat Trajectories and Investing in China at WCM (Capital Allocators, EP.212)
Opinion
Ford: China's innovation cycle is strengthening into life sciences
“I see their innovation cycle only getting stronger. What they've done in technology is well known with companies like Alibaba and ByteDance, but now in life sciences, they're actually becoming a real innovator in the life sciences space.”
Bill Ford Jul 22, 2021 ▶ 18:02 Bill Ford – General Atlantic (Manager Meetings, EP.03)
Disclosure
Green: Lead Edge Fund I allocated 25% to Alibaba at $12B valuation
“And we said to people, listen, I'm going to raise a fifty million dollar vehicle. And I'm going to put 25% of the fund in Alibaba at twelve billion valuation, roughly.”
Mitchell Green Jan 27, 2025 ▶ 19:30 Mitchell Green - Lead Edge of Harnessing Networks (EP.429)
Assertion Supported
Tian: Highly profitable Alibaba is losing market share to competitors.
“Alibaba is a classic, or we just want to be Like the platform in the middle make huge margins, and they are the most profitable e-commerce company arguably in the world, but they're losing market share versus all of these other competitors that are out there.”
Mike Tian Sep 6, 2021 ▶ 28:21 Mike Tian – Moat Trajectories and Investing in China at WCM (Capital Allocators, EP.212)
Assertion Partly supported
Green: Eastern Advisors bought Goldman Sachs's Alibaba stake in 2004
“We were early investors in Alibaba. We bought out Goldman Steak in in 2004 when I launched the fund.”
Mitchell Green Jan 27, 2025 ▶ 14:27 Mitchell Green - Lead Edge of Harnessing Networks (EP.429)
Assertion Contradicted
Ou: GGV's first fund was a Series A investor in Alibaba
“The drivers for first GGV fund, for example, they were a series A investor in Alibaba.”
Bruce Ou Oct 30, 2023 ▶ 36:37 Bruce Ou – Private Market Investing at GroveStreet (EP.347)
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