Aug 20, 2018 · 1h 13m · capital-allocators
Josh Wolfe – Seeing the Lux (Capital Allocators, EP.65)
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In this episode of Capital Allocators, host Ted Seides interviews Lux Capital co-founder Josh Wolfe on his journey from Coney Island to leading a premier hard-tech venture firm. Wolfe shares his frameworks for scientific due diligence, thesis-driven investing, cross-disciplinary mental models, and navigating complex market cycles.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Ted holds 15.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Ted as informed peer 3.8 Guest teaching 4.0 Guest disagreement 1.3 Ted pushing back 0.8
speaking balance: gold is Ted, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 53:18 Josh rails against prominent charlatans and hype machines
Josh aggressively calls out targets he considers fraudulent or overhyped on Twitter, including Ray Dalio, Elon Musk's Tesla, and IBM Watson.
Hardest push from Ted ▶ 12:00 Ted questions applying public variant perception to private VCTed directly challenges Josh on whether a standard public market variant perception mindset truly translates to private venture investing.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 26:45 Josh articulates the half-life of technology intimacyJosh educates Ted on the structural shrinking physical distance between humans and computing machines across multi-decade half-lives.
Ted holds their own ▶ 1:00:36 Ted synthesizes mental models into public indexing dynamicsTed demonstrates sharp macro investing acumen by connecting Josh's biological models and crowd consensus metrics directly to passive index market structure.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Ted as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Ted pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Growing Up in Coney Island and Developing Skepticism | 3 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Ted opens with light banter about Coney Island hot dog eating contests before prompting Josh on his upbringing. Josh shares how growing up in Coney Island molded his skeptical, streetwise worldview. | |
| Discovering Science, Public Markets, and the Intersection in VC | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Ted guides Josh through his early scientific pursuits and transition from public equities to venture capital. Josh warmly details working in an AIDS research lab and discovering capital markets. | |
| Variant Perception and Hard Tech Investment Tenets | 4 | 3 | 2 | 2 | Ted asks whether variant perception applies equally to venture capital. Josh dismisses consensus-seeking VCs chasing 'fufu apps' and advocates for backing verifiable hard sciences. | |
| Founding Lux Capital and Crafting Tangible Competitive Advantages | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Josh recounts the founding of Lux Capital and building three structural pillars—policy influence, Forbes media partnership, and Lux Research—to earn credibility. Ted interjects with brief clarifying questions about the practical mechanics. | |
| Scaling Fund Operations and Thesis-Driven Investments | 4 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Ted probes into Lux's systematic sourcing styles and thesis development. Josh walks through specific counter-consensus bets in nuclear waste cleanup and femtosecond laser tattoo removal. | |
| Half-Life of Technology Intimacy and Backing Ctrl-labs | 3 | 6 | 0 | 0 | Josh details his core mental framework of the 'half-life of technology intimacy' and how it led to discovering Thomas Reardon and backing Ctrl-labs. Ted asks for a concrete demonstration of the neural interface technology. | |
| Sponsor Segment: Ridgeline | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Following a sponsor break, Ted steers into due diligence and how to evaluate founders when the technology works but the team is imperfect. Josh stresses that backing top-tier operators always takes precedence over pure IP. | |
| Decision-Making Mechanics, Silver Bullets, and Portfolio Construction | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Ted asks about partnership decision-making and portfolio construction constraints. Josh details the 'single silver bullet' mechanism designed to protect contrarian conviction while reining in overzealous partners. | |
| Sector Cycles, Time Arbitrage, Exits, and Process Failures | 5 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Ted links public market portfolio theory and counter-cyclicality to private market time arbitrage. Josh elaborates on contrarian timing in biotech and transparently deconstructs past errors of omission and process failures. | |
| State of Venture Capital: Minnows, Megas, and Capital Overhang | 5 | 5 | 3 | 1 | Ted asks about managing through massive private equity capital overhang. Josh delivers an analytical breakdown of market bifurcation into 'minnows and megas' and critiques SoftBank's valuation-marking incentives. | |
| Twitter Discourse, Synaptic Pruning Models, and Economic Cycles | 4 | 6 | 2 | 1 | Ted asks about Josh's Twitter strategy and biological analogies. Josh lays out mental models comparing industry consolidation to neural synaptic pruning and market liquidity to slime mold expansion. | |
| Passive Indexing Risks and Dinner Table Mental Models | 4 | 4 | 2 | 0 | Ted connects the earlier cycle models to passive indexing risks and Josh's dinner table discussions. Josh critiques indiscriminate ETF buying algorithms and highlights teaching kids to study catastrophic human misjudgments. |
Statements from this episode (22)
Wolfe: VCs must be cynical and distrustful to spot carny charlatans
“You've got all kinds of carny charlatans that basically sculpt you into a somewhat cynical, squinty eyed, distrustful person of, you know, somebody trying to scheme over you, which I think in my business where you never really know if somebody is going to be l…”
Wolfe: Venture capitalists have shifted to funding irrelevant 'fufu' mobile apps
“And I think that that guard has given way to people that are funding, you know, what I consider fufu apps and You know, mobile stuff that I think has very little relevance, but like real hard technology. It's provable. It's real. It's verifiable. It's not, you…”
Wolfe: Carlyle Co-Founder Bill Conway Seeded Lux Capital and Its Management Company
“Bill Conway, who was one of the founders of Carlisle, and he's not really bullish on venture. I mean, Carlisle is, you know, one of the greatest private equity and buy-off funds, But he doesn't love venture capital, but there was something, whether it was the …”
Wolfe: Lux Capital manages under $1.5B and raises $400M every two years
“Now just under a billion and a half. You know, we have periodicity where now we're about every two years raising about four hundred million dollars.”
Lux-backed Kurion handled Fukushima cleanup and sold to Veolia for $400M
“We became the only U.S. Company pick for the cleanup, and we went from a million to 2040, 8000, 140. We sold that at forty million of EBITDA 10 times to a big French company, Veolia”
Wolfe: Future computing will replace keyboards with invisible human-machine interfaces
“When you step back, and you see that directional arrow of progress, it is that we are going to be less
Hunched over a QWERTY keyboard and a mouse and much more natural human interaction with our computers, which means the technology has to get more and more so…”
Thomas Reardon single-handedly coded Internet Explorer and was Bill Gates's right-hand
“While he's at Microsoft, he single-handedly codes Internet Explorer, which we've all used, and he's also Bill's right-hand guy during the entire DOJ Monopoly trial.”
Wolfe: Lux Capital hasn't used a financial spreadsheet in over a decade
“I joke, I haven't looked at a spreadsheet in over a decade. There's nothing for us to model.”
Wolfe: Lux Capital manages 120+ portfolio companies with a 10-person team
“Between, we've got a 120 plus companies, we've got 10 people on the investment team.”
Lux Capital partners get one 'override' investment per fund despite team disagreement
“We have implemented, starting about five years ago, a process where if there's a super strong table pounder, where the vast majority of the team does not agree, but somebody is psychotically passionate about a particular entrepreneur and opportunity, they get …”
Lux Capital targets 25 to 30 core positions of $15M-$25M per fund
“Now, a fully funded, structured portfolio for us is somewhere between 25 and 30 core positions, which means that each investing partner is doing between one and two core deals a year. And a core deal for us Is investing somewhere between 15 and twenty-five mil…”
Lux Capital limits its entire seed program to one core position's size
“We have an active seed program where you could do a lot of those, but what we limited is that the total aggregate dollars that we invest in seeds, which are typically sub-two million dollars, so it could be a quarter million here, half million there, a million…”
Lux Capital passed on Cruise at $80M pre before GM's $1B acquisition
“The story which I tell publicly is about cruise automation. We offered them a twenty million dollar financing at a forty million pre, and they wanted eighty million pre money, and we thought that was absurd and too high. In the course of diligence, we introduc…”
Wolfe considers a 3.5x return on Crystal IS a process failure
“And here we ended up making three, three and a half times our money, but we considered it a process failure because all the expectations, all the modeling that we had and what the outcome could be, the reasons that a business would be bought all proved false. …”
Wolfe predicts a massive pullback in institutional LP allocations to venture capital
“Private equity generally, of which venture capital is like, you know, the tiny bit that's generally clustered into that ass glass, I think is going to see a huge pullback in at least new allocations, if not the pace of allocations.”
Wolfe: SoftBank-funded unicorn capital is 'dead' and trapped under their control
“Many of these businesses either have commercial deals that are tied to them, or economic terms that are tied to them where the VCs or the entrepreneurs that might be celebrating, they just became a unicorn and are valued over a billion dollars and SoftBank jus…”
Wolfe: Secondaries will thrive as overextended venture investors need liquidity
“I think that secondaries are going to be a great spot for LPs, where there's going to be a lot of people that get out over their skis and are going to need liquidity, and people that have ready pools of capital, I think, are probably going to be well positione…”
Wolfe calls IBM Watson 'utter BS' and dangerous in its marketing
“And then the last thing that I rail against also, which I think is utter BS is IBM Watson. And I think it's actually dangerous what they're promoting.”
Wolfe: WeWork will face severe downside operating leverage when economic conditions contract
“The operating leverage that those businesses, by the way, get on the upside is huge. But once you have this precipitous pruning and these people start disappearing, I think the operating leverage that you get on the downside is going to be really painful. And …”
Wolfe: Passive ETF unwinds will crush bad companies and revive short sellers
“In the public markets, companies are going to be sold indiscriminately in the same way that they're being bought indiscriminately. So I think that there is a big structural issue. I think that similar as we looked at vaccines when they were out of favor, today…”
Wolfe disagrees with Peter Thiel: studying willful failures teaches more than success
“And there are some people, and I disagree with Peter Thiel about this personally, where he says, you really study the successful people. You don't study the failures. And I disagree totally. I think by studying the people who made willful mistakes, you learn a…”
Founders should view competition as infuriating, not as market validation
“When entrepreneurs say of competition, that's validating. When somebody sees news of a competitor and says, oh, you know, it's definitely validating of our market or something like that, I pull my hair out because I don't want you to find competition validatin…”