Jan 7, 2019 · 1h 0m · capital-allocators
Jen Prosek – Branding an Asset Management Firm (Capital Allocators, EP.81)
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In this episode of Capital Allocators, host Ted Seides interviews Prosek Partners founder and CEO Jennifer Prosek about the strategic transformation of marketing, brand building, and crisis communications across alternative asset management. Prosek also outlines actionable frameworks for cultivating an entrepreneurial company culture, retaining multigenerational talent, and applying emotional intelligence to executive leadership.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Ted holds 21.3% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Ted as informed peer 3.6 Guest teaching 4.2 Guest disagreement 1.4 Ted pushing back 1.4
speaking balance: gold is Ted, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 40:05 Immediate rejection of the 'too late' premise
When Ted asks if it is too late for hedge funds to rehabilitate their public perception, Jen promptly shuts down the negative framing with an emphatic denial.
Hardest push from Ted ▶ 27:00 Challenging single-person brand sustainabilityTed presses Jen on whether relying on high-profile figures like Larry Fink or Cliff Asness poses structural risks compared to institutional firm branding.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 17:06 Educating on the Commission for Life systemJen breaks down how perpetual commission sharing directly teaches junior employees the mechanics of cash collection and client retention.
Ted holds their own ▶ 54:22 Defending black-and-white mathematical investment thinkingTed demonstrates deep knowledge of investment professionals, explaining that algorithmic and black-and-white thinking is precisely what makes top allocators successful.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Ted as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Ted pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Career Origins and Founding Prosek Partners | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Ted opens by asking about Prosek Partners' founding narrative and Jen's transition from an English major to firm owner and Columbia MBA. The tone is entirely welcoming and biographical. | |
| The Emerging Market of Asset Management Marketing | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Jen conceptualizes asset management marketing as an emerging market that lagged consumer marketing for decades until the GFC forced institutional reputation awareness. | |
| Tactical Brand Building and Managing Client Conflicts | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Ted probes on how agency conflict is handled when competing financial institutions are clients. Jen explains their Chinese walls and deep specialization. | |
| Cultivating an Army of Entrepreneurs and Agency Culture | 3 | 5 | 1 | 1 | Jen outlines her 'Commission for Life' framework and talent model, explaining how giving employees equity incentives teaches them client management and receivables. | |
| Startup Marketing Adoption and Measuring Business Impact | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Ted inquires about asset size thresholds for marketing adoption. Jen clarifies that startups out of prime brokers now build sophisticated narratives immediately. | |
| Case Study: Transforming Jensen Partners into an Industry Voice | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Jen details the Jensen Partners case study, explaining how repurposing recruiting data into media reports elevated a small founder's market positioning. | |
| Brand Protection, Media Relationships, and Glassdoor Signals | 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | Ted questions single-spokesperson branding using examples like Cliff Asness and Larry Fink. Jen details the risks of key-person risk and the imperative of bench building. | |
| Hedge Funds vs. Private Equity Branding and Convening Networks | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Jen contrasts PE long-term brand building with hedge fund short-term orientation and shares her strategy of convening peer CMO roundtables. | |
| Sponsor Message: Ridgeline Investment Management Platform | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Segment includes an ad break followed by Jen recounting an intervention where she prevented a client from retitling partners to managing directors. | |
| Handling Weak Performance Leaks and Media Education | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Ted asks how to handle leaked drawdowns. Jen explains that true stories cannot be killed, only contextualized and negotiated with journalists. | |
| Competitive Dynamics and The Evolution of Hedge Fund Branding | 4 | 4 | 3 | 2 | Ted asks if it is too late for hedge funds to build durable reputations. Jen firmly rejects the pessimistic premise, arguing the asset class will adapt. | |
| Raising Entrepreneurial Children: Nature vs. Nurture | 3 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Jen discusses her book on raising entrepreneurial children, outlining research with Brown University showing environmental nurture cultivates optimism and calculated risk-taking. | |
| Firm Outlook, Generational Differences: Millennials and Gen Z | 3 | 5 | 2 | 2 | Jen draws contrasts between Millennial and Gen Z workplace psychologies, summarizing the generational divide as Harry Potter idealism versus Hunger Games realism. | |
| Core Life Mantras: Just Ask, Humanity, and Navigating the Gray | 5 | 5 | 2 | 2 | Jen describes core mantras including 'Just Ask' and avoiding black-and-white thinking. Ted connects this to mathematical allocator mindsets, prompting Jen to explain bridge building. |
Statements from this episode (17)
Prosek: Elite financial PR agencies ignore brand building for crisis management
“Luckily a lot of elite firms in our space never focused on what I would call the brand building side. They always focused on issues and crisis management. So we're one of the only firms that really does the brand building side.”
Prosek: Originating Employees Receive 10% Client Revenue for Life of Employment
“So the rule is basically if you bring a relationship to the firm that becomes a client, you get 10% of that client revenue. For the life of the client and the life of your employment.”
Prosek: Emerging Funds Have an Advantage Starting Brand Building from Scratch
“We're seeing emerging startups take marketing seriously right out the gate, and they have a huge advantage even up against large firms, because the large firms are sort of like retooling and getting there, and the startups are starting with a gorgeous website …”
Prosek: Asset Management Marketing Must Be Measured by Sales Cycle Efficiency
“I think at the end of the day, measurement should be about business impact. So I talked to you about accelerating success, right? So if you're a new client, and we're doing our job right, and you go to a meeting, instead of you educating the prospect, or the i…”
Prosek: Proprietary personnel movement data acts as candy for journalists
“The data that you're sitting on about people in capital fundraising is really interesting to reporters. Like, you know who's going where at all times. You have mapped the entire universe. That is like candy to reporters.”
Prosek: Glassdoor reviews serve as a leading indicator of internal leaks
“Your employees are usually the leakers, but I look at a client or potential client's glass door page. I don't know if you've heard of that, and I can tell you what's going to happen based on the entries in that glass door page. People like to poo-poo it, and e…”
Prosek: BlackRock pioneered sophisticated asset management marketing for decades
“BlackRock was probably one of the pioneers in sophisticated marketing in the asset management space. They didn't become BlackRock overnight. They've been marketing for 35, 40 years, and Larry Fink's been a thought leader for, what, 25 years.”
Prosek: Building a brand around one founder creates severe succession problems
“Well, let me tell you create as much of a problem as you solve by having a brand grow up around one person, and we are hired, especially in private equity and hedge funds, many times because the brand has grown up around one person, and they create a successio…”
Prosek: Blackstone successfully built an institutional brand beyond Stephen Schwarzman
“Yes, there's a Steve Schwartzman brand, and he definitely built the Blackstone brand using that. But I think no one would say that Blackstone would not move on as an institution. So I always say, I think they pulled it off from a brand perspective.”
Prosek: Only a Handful of Hedge Funds Will Build Surviving Brands
“Do I think they'll be successful at building institutional brands that will survive into the future? Yes. I think there will be a handful that does, and there will be all kinds of other peril in the ones that don't.”
Prosek: Alternative Asset Managers Only Began Hiring Marketers Around 2015
“If you look at the landscape, AQR being an example, they just made their head of marketing a partner, which shows you how seriously they're taking marketing, right? But these firms have only had marketers the last three or four years, if that. Most of them are…”
PR firms cannot kill legitimate negative stories, but can negotiate context
“You don't kill a real story when it's bad, and it's real. But what you can do is add context around it, neutralize it, negotiate with a reporter.”
Prosek: Negative fund performance almost always leaks to the press
“Negative performance almost always leaks to the press, so it's how do you deal with that, and how do you contextualize that, and how do you put forth the data about the performance over time, right, so that the reporter actually gets the story right, and it's …”
Educating financial reporters off the record yields more accurate coverage
“A lot of our clients actually invest a great deal of time educating reporters about the industry so that they can get it right, and that is usually repaid In spades.”
Prosek receives roughly five calls weekly from hedge funds seeking proactive PR
“I mean, we must get five calls a week from hedge funds saying, I gotta go from the back foot to the front foot. I gotta learn this stuff and take it seriously, and what do I need to do?”