machine learning

13 statements across 9 episodes · 5 bullish · 4 bearish · 9 people on the record · first statement May 20, 2019 by Tim Recker · across every show →

Everything said about machine learning, oldest first

May 20, 2019 positive
Disclosure
Recker: Irvine backed a quant fund where machines generate algorithms
“We have, I'll say, dipped our toe with one. I would like to not talk to who it is, but they actually are using machine learning where the machines actually build the algorithms versus most quants, the people build the algorithms, and a lot of times you just ge…”
Tim Recker May 20, 2019 ▶ 55:37 Tim Recker - Concentration at the James Irvine Foundation (Capital Allocators, EP.100)
Jun 10, 2019 neutral
Opinion
O'Shaughnessy: Almost No Funds Have Pure Machine Learning Models in Live Production
“To be clear, I don't think almost anybody has a lot of that in production today, but those tools are becoming more and more useful.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 22:34 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Jun 10, 2019 positive
Disclosure
O'Shaughnessy: OSAM Uses Machine Learning to Predict Specific Events Like Dividend Cuts
“So as a result, we have started to focus more on applying these techniques to focus on something like a dividend cut. Let's use that as an example. Build a model that just forecasts or predicts dividend cuts, and that's it.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 29:29 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Jun 10, 2019 negative
Insight
O'Shaughnessy: Machine learning algorithms always fail at predicting stock returns directly
“You can feed all the best data in the world to whatever ML algorithm you choose. Let's say it's like a decision tree or something. And if you're trying to predict returns, it always falls apart. It never works.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 28:22 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Oct 28, 2019 positive
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Fontana: Zetta memos always analyze compounding machine learning data loops
“Invariably, we always have a section on the competitive advantage the company could build and compound by looping customer feedback data through the machine learning system to generate a prediction that gets better and better over time.”
Ash Fontana Oct 28, 2019 ▶ 44:53 Ash Fontana – Investing in Artificial Intelligence at Zetta Ventures (First Meeting, EP.11)
Jan 6, 2020 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Renaissance Uses Self-Teaching Machine Learning for Unexplainable Trades
“Machine learning is at the heart of the firm in modern times, and they were making trades without realizing why they were making the trades. The system teaches itself”
Gregory Zuckerman Jan 6, 2020 ▶ 35:26 Gregory Zuckerman – Decoding Renaissance Medallion (Capital Allocators, EP.119)
Feb 17, 2020 negative
Insight
Machine learning models finding non-regression factors are likely flawed
“So if your machine learning is finding something that standard regression models didn't find, it's probably not a good model.”
Dan Rasmussen Feb 17, 2020 ▶ 30:37 Dan Rasmussen – Private Equity Risk and Public Equity Opportunity at Verdad Advisers (First Meeting, EP.15)
May 11, 2020 neutral
Insight
Siegel: Machine learning is just applied classical statistics scaled by fast computing
“Machine learning is just applied statistics, and it's what you learn when you took your statistics class in college or graduate school, and you read Thomas Bayes, who lived in the 1700, and Gauss, who lived in the 1800. And there's nothing that machine learnin…”
Larry Siegel May 11, 2020 ▶ 27:20 Laurence Siegel – Current Myths and Long-Term Optimism (Capital Allocators, EP.137)
May 11, 2023 positive
Insight
Craib: Machine learning quant investing relies entirely on theory-free models
“That's, in some ways, the opposite of machine learning, which is a path of saying, we have no idea what patterns are Real or we don't have any theory. We don't have any hypothesis, but we do have a large data set. What can we learn in that data set that will g…”
Richard Craib May 11, 2023 ▶ 8:22 Richard Craib – Crowdsourcing Data Science for Returns at Numerai (Capital Allocators, EP.314)
May 13, 2024 bearish
Insight
Asness: Unconstrained factor machine learning yields zero out-of-sample power
“If you let it look at every possible factor, it's going to be a giant insane data mining exercise. I believe it'll have zero out of sample power.”
Cliff Asness May 13, 2024 ▶ 35:47 Cliff Asness - Simple Investing is Hard (EP.385)
May 13, 2024 neutral
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Asness: Personal cynicism delayed AQR's machine learning adoption by years
“I think I probably slowed us down on some of the machine learning stuff by a couple years with a little cynicism along the lines of exactly what you're talking about, that we could turn over more of the decision to the machines.”
Cliff Asness May 13, 2024 ▶ 34:44 Cliff Asness - Simple Investing is Hard (EP.385)
May 13, 2024 bearish
Insight
Asness: Machine learning will not help determine the equity risk premium
“I'll give you an example of something ML I don't think will help us on, and maybe I'll be proven wrong about this, but vital numbers to people like us. What is the equity risk premium? What is the premium for high quality against low quality stocks? There, you…”
Cliff Asness May 13, 2024 ▶ 38:16 Cliff Asness - Simple Investing is Hard (EP.385)
Nov 20, 2025 positive
Assertion Supported
Mahr: MDT Advisers has used machine learning tools since 2001
“At MDT, we've been using these machine learning tools since 2001. So we have a 24 year head start on someone who is new to the game.”
Daniel Mahr Nov 20, 2025 ▶ 13:10 Daniel Mahr – Glass Box Quant at MDT Advisers (EP.472)
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