factor investing

8 statements across 5 episodes · 1 bullish · 5 bearish · 5 people on the record · first statement Jul 30, 2018 by Charlie Ellis · across every show →

Everything said about factor investing, oldest first

Jul 30, 2018 negative
Insight
Factor investment sales peak at market tops, leading to inevitable disappointment
“So if value has been working very, very well, the demand for interest in buying into, and the supply, i.e. The interest in selling people on, value factor investment will rise to a crescendo at the top, and then people get disappointed.”
Charlie Ellis Jul 30, 2018 ▶ 29:18 Charley Ellis - Indexing and Its Alternatives (EP.62)
Jul 30, 2018 bearish
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Crowding will significantly reduce future profits for factor investing specialists
“I believe that the guys who have for years specialized in factor investing are going to find they can't make as good a profit from doing it as they used to because of the crowd, but they'll still probably do a pretty good job for themselves and for their inves…”
Charlie Ellis Jul 30, 2018 ▶ 29:45 Charley Ellis - Indexing and Its Alternatives (EP.62)
Jul 30, 2018 negative
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Investors using smart beta to beat the market will end up disappointed
“Those who are in it because it's a good commercial opportunity, Intermediaries or in it because they think, Hey, this is a new way to beat the market are going to create a self disappointing experience.”
Charlie Ellis Jul 30, 2018 ▶ 30:01 Charley Ellis - Indexing and Its Alternatives (EP.62)
Jun 10, 2019
Insight
O'Shaughnessy: Factor alpha comes from execution discipline, not awareness
“That says that the source of the excess return is not knowing about the thing. It's doing the thing.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 44:18 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Jun 10, 2019 positive
Disclosure
O'Shaughnessy: All OSAM investment factors have behavioral explanations
“So I would argue all the factors that we use here have a behavioral component, or at least a compelling behavioral explanation for why they work.”
Patrick O'Shaughnessy Jun 10, 2019 ▶ 43:55 Patrick O'Shaughnessy – O'Shaughnessy Asset Management (First Meeting, EP.01)
Nov 9, 2020 negative
Insight
Williams: Uncontrolled Macro Factors Frequently Swamp Active Managers' Bottom-Up Stock Selection
“And what we found generally was that a lot of times the factors would swamp the good work that they were doing on the individual positions in the portfolio. So all this great analysis and research Being put into individual decisions, but macroeconomic effects …”
Karyn Williams Nov 9, 2020 ▶ 33:46 Karyn Williams – Measuring Risk Practically at Hightree Advisors (Capital Allocators, EP.163)
Aug 26, 2021 neutral
Insight
Rieder: Factor investing fails without fundamental and qualitative analysis
“Like, I think factor investing is a great way to invest. However, there are environmental conditions that can really shift, and if you're not doing the qualitative analysis, the fundamental analysis, then I don't think it'll work.”
Rick Rieder Aug 26, 2021 ▶ 20:47 Rick Rieder – BlackRock (Manager Meetings, EP.08)
May 13, 2024 bearish
Insight
Asness: Unconstrained factor machine learning yields zero out-of-sample power
“If you let it look at every possible factor, it's going to be a giant insane data mining exercise. I believe it'll have zero out of sample power.”
Cliff Asness May 13, 2024 ▶ 35:47 Cliff Asness - Simple Investing is Hard (EP.385)
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