Dyal Capital

0 statements across 0 episodes · 3 bullish · 0 bearish · 2 people on the record · first statement Feb 1, 2021 by Paul Salem · said 16 times in 7 episodes since 2020 · across every show →

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Feb 1, 2021
Assertion Supported
Salem: Providence Equity was first PE firm to sell GP stake to Dyal
“We were the first firm to ever do a deal with Dial Capital as a private equity fund, and we did a deal where we sold A percentage of the general partner to a few LPs and to dial capital, and we didn't take the money out of the business.”
Paul Salem Feb 1, 2021 ▶ 39:53 Private Equity Masters: Paul Salem – Providence Equity Partners (Capital Allocators, EP.175)
Oct 31, 2022 neutral
Disclosure
Rees: Dyal underwrites GP stakes purely on cash flow, not exit sales
“From an underwriting perspective, we still use that original lens of cash on cash returns. We certainly don't get the type of cash on cash returns that we got back then in the hedge fund space with 25% yields, but we really think about it from an underwriting …”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 14:28 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022 positive
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Rees: Vast majority of GP stakes capital funds GP commitments, not cash-outs
“As these firms did get bigger, they were using up a lot of capital, and that's been the major use case for almost all the capital that's gone in the ground over the last decade. There are secondary use cases. Of course, there are times when we're buying out a …”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 20:08 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022 neutral
Disclosure
Rees: Dyal underwrote hedge funds to return 8% to 10% net annually
“We underwrote that every hedge fund could get eight to 10% net every year. A bad year was eight, a good year was 12, and that was it.”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 12:38 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022 neutral
Insight
Rees: Investment teams of pure bankers need naysayers to counter deal bias
“When you put a team of bankers in a room, man, everything seems like a deal that can be done. It can be structured. We can find a way. So I'm glad our team has evolved now to have a few more naysayers where the few of us that have banking in our background wou…”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 55:21 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022 neutral
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Rees: Early hedge fund GP stake sales were primarily tax arbitrage plays
“It probably was more of a cash out trade vis-a-vis the hedge fund industry, 1520 years ago, because the motivation was really a tax arbitrage. And a hedge fund that is trading relatively actively is going to generate mostly short-term gains, and that will pay …”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 17:32 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022
Assertion Supported
Rees: Dyal has completed 19 of 22 GP stake deals over $600M
“And so in our world where we've done, I want to say, 19 of the 22 deals above six hundred million of check size. So we have a high eighties percent market share.”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 36:23 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022 bullish
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Rees: Top 250 Alternative Firms Are Growing Faster Than GP Stakes Funds Can Raise
“Well, even if you just look at the top 250 firms, the organic growth in those firms is outpacing the ability of us and our two peers to raise capital.”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 51:45 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022 positive
Insight
Rees: Management fees generate immense profits, defying the lights-on myth
“Well, it's not something we like to shout from the rooftops, and I guess here I am shouting it from the rooftops, but these businesses can be extremely profitable. I think the old adage that the management fees keep the lights on, I think that's a good motto. …”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 35:10 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
Oct 31, 2022 neutral
Disclosure
Rees: Dyal operates permanent capital funds with zero investor redemption rights
“We look like a private equity fund on the way in, we get commitments from investors, we call capital to do deals, but we never plan on selling a partnership or ending a partnership, and we really don't ever have a way for investors to elect to redeem. There's …”
Michael Rees Oct 31, 2022 ▶ 45:13 Michael Rees – Inside GP Stakes at Dyal Capital (Capital Allocators, EP.278)
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