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Patel: 4x annual compute scaling cannot continue beyond 2028

Dwarkesh Patel · Dwarkesh Patel: AI Continuous Improvement, Intelligence Explosion, Memory, Frontier Lab Competition · Jun 18, 2025 · at 12:27

Dwarkesh Patel explains physical and economic bottlenecks to training AI models with Alex Kantrowitz.

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“If you look at things like how much energy is there in the country, how much how many chips can TSMC produce and what fraction of them are already being used by AI. Even if you look at like raw GDP, like how much money does the world have? How much wealth does the world have by all those metrics? It seems like this pace of four X a year, which is like a 160 X in four years, right? Like this cannot continue beyond 20, 28.”

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