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SpaceX’s IPO Triumph, Anthropic’s Fable Fumble, OpenAI’s Price War
- ▶ 36:12 Alex Kantrowitz To be honest, the places where I've had the more, um, holy crap moments have been, um, using the medium-powered models like, um, Claude Sonnet in, uh, in the harness, in something like Claude Cowork.
- ▶ 45:21 Ranjan Roy Like, again, or it's, we've seen how dramatically Claude code users could switch over to Codex, and when you're in the command line, it all looks kind of the same anyways.
- ▶ 47:15 Ranjan Roy Again, when you are searching about how to alter your own mitochondria to make yourself a bioweapon, um, Fable Five is downgrading you and doing some model routing to, I think, uh, Haiku or something like that.
Did Apple (Finally) Get AI Right At WWDC?, Anthropic’s Worry, Microsoft vs. OpenAI
- ▶ 14:50 Alex Kantrowitz When you're in ChatGPT, um, it does have an understanding, or in Claude, it does have an understanding of, like, it can handle multiple
- ▶ 28:49 Alex Kantrowitz That is, of course, with the assistance of AI models like Mythos. 7 times in the scene
Did Google Just Fall Behind Again?, WWDC Preview, Anthropic Files To Go Public
- ▶ 0:00 Alex Kantrowitz As Anthropics Cloud Code and OpenAI's Codex take off, where is Google exactly?
- ▶ 2:15 Alex Kantrowitz The bigger issue is they don't have the codex and the cloud code competitor that you thought they would at this point. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 3:10 M.G. Siegler And oh, by the way, Claude just rolled out a new model and, uh, open AI has rolled out a new model.
- ▶ 3:23 M.G. Siegler And, but you know, the backdrop of all this is also what the stuff going on with mythos and, and, um, you know, on the anthropic side and, and sort of, uh, uh, you know, a killer model, you like above and beyond even what's at the… 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 15:13 M.G. Siegler And again, we go back to the, to the, uh, notion of Claude. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 15:18 M.G. Siegler And Claude code. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 18:45 M.G. Siegler Claude right now. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 36:49 M.G. Siegler And I do think that they will get there at some point, but it's a matter of like, is there, yeah, is there like a first mover advantage much like there has been for Claude code, right? 2 times in the scene
Warning Signs For The AI Boom, Anthropic Passes OpenAI, Robinhood’s AI Trading
- ▶ 4:53 Ranjan Roy No one was checking their actual Claude bills. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 4:56 Ranjan Roy Everyone was in the command line, you know, cranking out whatever they wanted in Claude code and then Codex, and now everyone's recognizing that, oh, wait, maybe that's not how it should work. 5 times in the scene
- ▶ 23:54 Alex Kantrowitz Given that Claude code really only got good in November, it's entirely unsurprising that a budget set in 2025 may have failed to predict demand for that tool in 2026.
- ▶ 42:56 Alex Kantrowitz And it's largely come on the back of Cloud Code.
- ▶ 45:46 Alex Kantrowitz You know, it would really be interesting if they went public and then, uh, everybody on Robinhood, which has, uh, Claude and ChatGPT controlling their trading. 4 times in the scene
Predicting the SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic IPOs — With Dick Costolo
- ▶ 16:44 Dick Costolo And six months later with agent decoding and codex and cloud code and et cetera, they're like, 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 19:36 Dick Costolo You know, they weren't, they weren't even initially gonna release Claude Code. 3 times in the scene
The Right Way To Build AI Agents — With NVIDIA's Adel El Hallak and ServiceNow's Joe Davis
- ▶ 2:21 Alex Kantrowitz But if you think about the brand names, people say Claude Code, Cowork, um, they don't say a combination or a medley of your favorite models working together, so is that a specific instance with ServiceNow or is that just the way these… 2 times in the scene
Is OpenAI Ready To IPO?, The Datacenters in Space Myth, The Kids Boo AI
- ▶ 23:56 Alex Kantrowitz And, you know, that we don't know whether the codecs and cloud codes are going to be that type of mainstream use or whether there are another flash in the pan. 5 times in the scene
- ▶ 27:29 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, many other companies are also talking about the ROI here and, uh, and Microsoft, interestingly, although maybe this isn't indicative of Claude, but 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 29:07 Ranjan Roy This article specifically references this time period of the last six months is that Claude Code kind of gets released and starts picking up.
- ▶ 31:20 Ranjan Roy It like the, the, the graph of revenue growth for Claude for the last six months, we will never see again. 2 times in the scene
How AI Changes Society, And Society Changes AI — With Obama Campaign Manager David Plouffe
- ▶ 40:55 Alex Kantrowitz 43, uh, Boris Turney, the head of Claude Code, who I'm gonna speak with tomorrow, I think he's 37.
Claude Code Head Boris Cherny: Insane Growth, Tokenmaxxing, AI Agents' Next Frontier
- ▶ 0:04 Boris Cherny Quad code is a hundred percent written by quad code. 6 times in the scene
- ▶ 0:26 Boris Cherny I prompt quad. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 1:18 Alex Kantrowitz So let's talk a little bit to begin with about the growth of Cloud Claude Code. 6 times in the scene
- ▶ 2:15 Boris Cherny There's, you know, there's Cloud Code, there's Cloud AI Chat, there's Cloud Design, there's, there's Co-Work, there's like the API products. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 2:15 Boris Cherny There's, you know, there's Cloud Code, there's Cloud AI Chat, there's Cloud Design, there's, there's Co-Work, there's like the API products.
- ▶ 2:15 Boris Cherny There's, you know, there's Cloud Code, there's Cloud AI Chat, there's Cloud Design, there's, there's Co-Work, there's like the API products.
- ▶ 2:58 Boris Cherny Five, that was November, and then 4.6, that was February of this year, and then 4.7.
- ▶ 2:58 Boris Cherny Five, that was November, and then 4.6, that was February of this year, and then 4.7.
- ▶ 5:48 Alex Kantrowitz Kind of alongside this product. 12 times in the scene
- ▶ 9:16 Alex Kantrowitz And so, correct me if I'm wrong, but the, the use cases here have gone from developers hooking into it, and writing code with cloud code, and we've seen this explosion, I guess, largely driven by them, but then by a secondary force, by,… 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 9:36 Alex Kantrowitz The AI agent, which is Claude Code, to build a piece of workflow software for them, or a website, or to take control of your computer via something like Claude Cowork, which is sort of the, um, maybe I would call it the easier sister… 5 times in the scene
- ▶ 15:01 Boris Cherny And there's like a big team of people that worked on productivity, and before models, before Claude, you would work for a really long time, and you would see maybe like a one, two, three percent improvement in productivity per engineer… 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 15:39 Boris Cherny And I think the, the last number that we reported is the, the amount of code written per engineer at Anthropic has grown something like 250% since we introduced Claude code.
- ▶ 18:11 Alex Kantrowitz I think Cloud Code and Cloud Cowork have both been pretty great for my business. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 18:11 Alex Kantrowitz I think Cloud Code and Cloud Cowork have both been pretty great for my business.
- ▶ 22:08 Alex Kantrowitz And, um, look, I, I think that when we see something grow as fast as Cloud Code has grown, and as fast as, as fast as Anthropic has grown, um, it's good to just kind of talk this stuff through, and, and it's good to hear your perspective.
- ▶ 23:14 Alex Kantrowitz Um, I've been using Claude Cowork to make PowerPoint presentations.
- ▶ 25:03 Boris Cherny So you can pick, you know, Opus, or Sonnet, or Haiku. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 25:03 Boris Cherny So you can pick, you know, Opus, or Sonnet, or Haiku. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 25:03 Boris Cherny So you can pick, you know, Opus, or Sonnet, or Haiku. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 26:32 Boris Cherny Like, engineers started using quad code like a year and a half ago. 10 times in the scene
- ▶ 26:40 Boris Cherny This is, you know, before co-work and so on. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 28:41 Alex Kantrowitz A lot of the marketing material I've turned out with co-work. 7 times in the scene
- ▶ 29:16 Alex Kantrowitz Well, I, I mean, obviously I've sort of enabled everything, um, so, and I think this is kind of an experience that many people have had, where you, there's a browser extension for Claude, and you realize that you can only get the benefit…
- ▶ 29:54 Alex Kantrowitz And then five minutes later, you're on your phone as the AI does the work, and that was my experience with code and co-work. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 31:33 Alex Kantrowitz Like, when I see people say, I've given Cloud Code a shot, but I'm, I'm kind of done with it. 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 33:07 Boris Cherny First, when we released quad code, you know, you ran one quad at a time. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 34:58 Boris Cherny Um, so, you know, for quad code, the growth is accelerating.
- ▶ 36:37 Alex Kantrowitz And we're back here on Big Technology Podcast with Boris Cherny, the head of Cloud Code at Anthropic.
- ▶ 36:58 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, I talked about it, uh, with marketing presentations, uh, and, you know, the week that we're talking, you have a, a new use case out where, um, Claude Cowork can be used for small businesses, including, uh, taking over QuickBooks and…
- ▶ 37:23 Boris Cherny We're thinking about a few things for quad code and for co-work. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 37:23 Boris Cherny We're thinking about a few things for quad code and for co-work. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 38:07 Boris Cherny Before, what we used to do is, whenever the model uses a tool, Cloud would ask you, is it ok if I use this tool? 5 times in the scene
- ▶ 39:35 Boris Cherny Um, maybe the third big one is just running more quads in parallel. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 39:40 Boris Cherny One of the cool things about quad, and this is something that we started to see pretty early with quad code users, is actually very few people nowadays run one quad code at a time. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 41:34 Alex Kantrowitz Um, a funny way people have talked about the limits of the thousands of clouds that you can run in parallel is kind of looking at 14 times in the scene
- ▶ 43:13 Boris Cherny We're starting to see this also for forward deployed engineers that are using Claude code to build implementations. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 46:59 Boris Cherny Some modes get less important, and this is, for example, switching costs, because if you want to switch from vendor A to vendor B, you can, you know, you can just ask Quad to do that, and Quad is going to get better and better over time at…
- ▶ 47:30 Alex Kantrowitz I think that, um, when you think about these different software companies, though, if you're using a cloud code, uh, do the most almost kind of blend away, because you could potentially be in this, like, one app that is interfacing with… 3 times in the scene
- ▶ 50:35 Boris Cherny When I look at the way that quad code is, uh, written, a hundred percent of quad code is written using quad code. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 51:22 Boris Cherny Quad is starting to generate its own ideas for what to build next for QuadCode, but it's, you know, it's not always good ideas, and I still generate most of the ideas, and, you know, at some point it's gonna change.
- ▶ 52:34 Boris Cherny I would put out an offer to Jan if he wants to sit down and quad code together for an hour, I'd love to show him.
- ▶ 55:01 Alex Kantrowitz Um, the argument that this is a fever dream is that, um, maybe people just want simple interfaces, and they don't mind tapping through things, and, you know, speaking in a cloud code feels a little bit too techy. 5 times in the scene
Satya Nadella’s OpenAI Concerns, Google’s Next AI Model, The AI Monet Prank
- ▶ 0:09 Alex Kantrowitz Is it going to compete with Codex and Claude Code?
- ▶ 10:42 Ranjan Roy Now GitHub Copilot is not, or even Microsoft is cutting back Claude code licenses they're supporting and forcing people to use GitHub Copilot.
- ▶ 33:51 Alex Kantrowitz We are going to talk about Claude for small business.
- ▶ 34:43 Alex Kantrowitz The new suite also includes integration between Cloud Cowork and a number of software products like QuickBook, Canva, DocuSign, HubSpot, and PayPal. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 35:00 Alex Kantrowitz The fact that Anthropic is starting to release these things just shows that the range that Claude is able to handle is growing. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 38:40 Alex Kantrowitz Before we move on, uh, I want to let folks know Boris Cherney, the head of Claude Code, is coming on the show next Wednesday.
- ▶ 39:29 Alex Kantrowitz The release will land roughly in the class of OpenAI's recent GPT, and well short of Anthropics Mythos, which despite not widely being available, has reset how every lab is talking about what leading means.
- ▶ 39:46 Alex Kantrowitz I thought this might be a moment for Google to follow the codex and cloud code path, but it doesn't seem like that's what's going to happen.
- ▶ 48:34 Ranjan Roy I, there was a clip going around of The Office and Michael Scott introducing Claude to, like, Pam and Dwight and everybody, and it was so well done.
PwC’s Dallas Dolen: AI Hardware’s Advantage, TokenMaxxing, Automation’s Impact
- ▶ 11:30 Dallas Dolen So if they wanna use Claudeco, they're definitely gonna go do that. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 14:15 Alex Kantrowitz If you could print, for instance, say, integrate these systems and maybe there's a world where Claude or Codex or Gemini can handle that.
- ▶ 34:17 Dallas Dolen He was telling me about something he built in Claude, um, you know, some, some functionality built. 2 times in the scene
The Allure of AI Love + Does Anyone Want AI Wearables? — With Joanna Stern
- ▶ 18:08 Alex Kantrowitz You have like a long-running conversation with Chachaputi or Claude, you really feel like you want to say thank you, or that meant a lot, or I can't believe you noticed that.
- ▶ 38:21 Joanna Stern Claude Cowork or Claude Code.
- ▶ 38:21 Joanna Stern Claude Cowork or Claude Code.
The Unlikely Anthropic & SpaceX Marriage, OpenAI Trial Revelations, AI Layoffs Or Cope?
- ▶ 5:26 Alex Kantrowitz Um, and has sort of now following Anthropic in this, you know, sort of code model with Codex, uh, as Anthropic has Cloud Code, and we're going to get into the demand about Cloud Code in a moment. 4 times in the scene
- ▶ 7:46 Alex Kantrowitz Third, we're raising our API limits considerably for cloud opus models, uh, as shown in the table below.
- ▶ 10:22 Ranjan Roy And it was everyone's first kind of foray into Claude code and Claude code and, you know, autonomous knowledge work products like writer.
- ▶ 16:06 Alex Kantrowitz And, uh, Anthropik had its code with Claude event this week.
- ▶ 17:05 Ranjan Roy And that's, again, when Claude Code was kind of in a league of its own, and there was no competition.
- ▶ 23:57 Ranjan Roy Until my Claude rate limit is quadrupled or quintupled, then maybe, but even, hold on. 2 times in the scene
- ▶ 25:44 Ranjan Roy And like, I mean, even within the industry, everyone you talk to, like everyone talks about like seeing the power of Claude and Claude code and the use case on X.
- ▶ 31:51 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, and that is, uh, is, was Mythos marketing or was Mythos real? 8 times in the scene
AI Agents: Mirage Or Real Revolution? — With Dmitry Shevelenko
- ▶ 0:29 Alex Kantrowitz Now they are joining OpenAI with Codex and Anthropic with Cloud Code as one of the many companies moving towards this agent that can control your computer and get stuff done for you.
- ▶ 23:16 Dmitry Shevelenko Like, what's the distribution of between, you know, Opus four seven and, uh, GPT and Gemini, and it got a very elaborate, uh, result back, and I know zero SQL.
- ▶ 35:32 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, and then of course, Anthropic has done this with cloud code and cloud cowork, um, which I've, I can't believe how I'm still like stunned at how much permission I've given these things, but the payoff is pretty intense.
- ▶ 35:32 Alex Kantrowitz Uh, and then of course, Anthropic has done this with cloud code and cloud cowork, um, which I've, I can't believe how I'm still like stunned at how much permission I've given these things, but the payoff is pretty intense.
- ▶ 36:53 Dmitry Shevelenko Um, and when I do that, computer will use, uh, this is kind of, and this changes week to week, but it'll, it'll, it'll like to use Opus for planning the task.
- ▶ 37:21 Dmitry Shevelenko Uh, it will use, uh, Sonnet for writing the Python code to stitch together all the audio clips, and that's just in one, you know, uh, single, you know, deliverable task.
- ▶ 37:48 Dmitry Shevelenko Same thing for, you know, Claude, like they're not gonna, you know, have GPT models.
- ▶ 43:24 Alex Kantrowitz Um, but as we get to this style of agentic use case where everybody wants to build this stuff, now some will not be competing, but there there's interest to have their own products like cloud cowork,