animals

“The way to replace the solution is to make ground beef that's chemically identical, meaning it's the same product and it's made cheaper. And you just don't happen to use animals.”

“The idea we're automatically going to treat them with all this moral consideration because they're conscious. That seems given the fact we continue to eat animals. We know we full well know our conscious. I don't know that we're quite as enlightened as that co…”