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Gerstner: America Must Accelerate Innovation Rather than Try Slowing China Down
“The way to beat them is not to, you know, try to cut them off at the knees. We don't need to make it easy on them. But the United States needs to accelerate our race, and I think by, if we focus too much on how do we slow down China, we take the eye off the ba…”
Brad Gerstner Aug 28, 2025 ▶ 1:04:10 China, China, China. Breaking Down China’s Tech Surge | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Big Tech uses open-source defensively to commoditize potential platform threats
“If you're not, if you, if you're not confident, you're going to win on offense, you want to play defense. And so for any large tech company, commoditizing a potential threat Is, is actually quite valuable.”
Bill Gurley Jul 31, 2025 ▶ 17:47 China Open-Source, Compute Arms Race, Reordering Global Trade | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: AI labs without applications will struggle to maintain margins
“I think that makes it harder if you're in the lab game. And you don't have a consumer product and you don't own an application that you can drive high gross margins.”
Brad Gerstner Jul 31, 2025 ▶ 40:30 China Open-Source, Compute Arms Race, Reordering Global Trade | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley and Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Dell: US has a government spending problem, not a loan-to-value problem
“I've sort of stepped back from the hysterics and you say, we don't have a loan to value problem as a country. We have a spending problem.”
Michael Dell Jul 10, 2025 ▶ 28:37 Michael Dell – Invest America Act Becomes Law, AI Talent Wars, Compute Demand, Market Update | BG2 · Bg2 Pod
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The AI model you use today is the worst you will ever use
“The model that you use today is the worst AI model that you'll ever use for the rest of your life”
Kevin Weil Jun 21, 2025 ▶ 9:02 Coatue Pt2. Open AI’s Kevin Weil Dives into All Things ChatGPT | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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If an AI model partially works today, it will excel in months
“If the model can kind of do it, then it's going to be great at it in a few months.”
Kevin Weil Jun 21, 2025 ▶ 9:12 Coatue Pt2. Open AI’s Kevin Weil Dives into All Things ChatGPT | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Frontier AI capabilities cannot be managed top-down, argues Kevin Weil
“In an AI world, you need to do that because the IMLs are so new. We don't, you don't top down know all of the capabilities. You see them kind of coming through the mist and we're better at finding all of the opportunities when we have a lot of smart people Thi…”
Kevin Weil Jun 21, 2025 ▶ 19:40 Coatue Pt2. Open AI’s Kevin Weil Dives into All Things ChatGPT | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: ChatGPT is building data network effects and switching costs via memory
“Although I would say that we're starting to see network effects, right, on the data side. We're starting to see switching costs with permanent memory, as you and I have talked, you know, starting to see.”
Brad Gerstner Jun 20, 2025 ▶ 21:49 Coatue’s Laffont Brothers. AI, Public & VC Mkts, Macro, US Debt, Crypto, IPO's, & more | BG2 · Bg2 Pod
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Laffont: Large private companies avoiding public markets will face heavy regulation
“I just think that these super, super large private companies, if you're not willing to submit yourself to sort of the sunshine and the ray of light of the public markets, you're going to get it through a regulatory agency. So pick your poison and be careful th…”
Philippe Laffont Jun 20, 2025 ▶ 44:56 Coatue’s Laffont Brothers. AI, Public & VC Mkts, Macro, US Debt, Crypto, IPO's, & more | BG2 · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: Cutting $2T in single year would trigger US recession
“You can't just cut two trillion dollars in a single year. That would be an 800 basis point headwind to GDP. It would throw us into a recession, if not depression, like state.”
Brad Gerstner Jun 6, 2025 ▶ 48:52 China, AI Immigration, Rare Earths & Chips, Tariffs, Markets | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: Foreign producers absorb half of US tariff costs
“So I think what the market was saying is, okay, three hundred billion, half of that will show up as increased prices and taxes on consumers and on businesses. Half of it will get eaten by the producer of the product in China, in India, wherever, you know, that…”
Brad Gerstner May 22, 2025 ▶ 26:02 AI, Middle East, China, Tariffs, Recon Bill, Invest America | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Tariffs cause inflation, reduce innovation, and trigger retaliation
“Tariffs lead to increased inflation. They lead to reduced innovation. Putting a protective blanket over our companies in our country lead to them being less globally competitive. And then fourth, which you mentioned, you know, it leads to retaliation.”
Bill Gurley Apr 24, 2025 ▶ 10:36 Tariffs, Free Trade, Export Controls, H20 & Rare Earth Ban | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Supply chain resilience can include allies and requires trade consistency
“There's also, if you're using the word resilient, you know, that can include other countries that are allies. It doesn't have to be on the shores of the U.S., and I know people who in the first Trump administration were told to diversify away from China, and t…”
Bill Gurley Apr 24, 2025 ▶ 13:26 Tariffs, Free Trade, Export Controls, H20 & Rare Earth Ban | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Assuming China cannot innovate will lead to bad US policy
“The thought that they couldn't, you know, be educated or can't innovate is gonna lead you to a lot of really bad policies.”
Bill Gurley Apr 24, 2025 ▶ 39:52 Tariffs, Free Trade, Export Controls, H20 & Rare Earth Ban | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Capex freezes create a self-reinforcing inflationary reflexivity loop
“The reflexivity already starts to take place, everything you just described. And once it does, some of it is certainly self-reinforcing, so you start decommitting capex, you start decommitting you know, basic capacity on different manufacturing lines, planes, …”
Bill Gurley Apr 24, 2025 ▶ 59:15 Tariffs, Free Trade, Export Controls, H20 & Rare Earth Ban | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Backing away from comparative advantage causes guaranteed mutual economic loss
“Doing stuff you're good at and letting other people do stuff they're good at is a win, win, win, win, win, and you start backing that up, and you're gonna get lose, lose, lose. I, I'm certain of it.”
Bill Gurley Apr 24, 2025 ▶ 1:02:05 Tariffs, Free Trade, Export Controls, H20 & Rare Earth Ban | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: AI models rapidly depreciate once off the frontier
“So it is a fast depreciating asset. The second you're off the frontier.”
Brad Gerstner Mar 2, 2025 ▶ 46:29 Grok 3, AI Memory & Voice, China, DOGE, Public Market Pull Back | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Patel: Semiconductor companies lack the engineers needed for rack-scale systems
“Building a chip is one thing, but building many chips that connect together, cooling them appropriately, networking them together, making sure that it's reliable at that scale is, is a whole host of problems that semiconductor companies don't have the engineer…”
Dylan Patel Dec 23, 2024 ▶ 10:44 AI Semiconductor Landscape feat. Dylan Patel | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Patel: Consolidating legacy CPU servers frees up power for AI workloads
“If I just replace, like, six servers with one, I've basically invented power out of thin air, right? I mean, like, you know, in effect, because these old servers, which are six plus years old, or even, you know, they can just be deprecated and put, so with Cap…”
Dylan Patel Dec 23, 2024 ▶ 21:11 AI Semiconductor Landscape feat. Dylan Patel | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Patel: Modern AI training requires more inference compute than weight updates
“In fact, there's more inference in training than there is updating the model weights, because you have to generate hundreds of possibilities And then, oh, you only train on a couple of them, right?”
Dylan Patel Dec 23, 2024 ▶ 39:14 AI Semiconductor Landscape feat. Dylan Patel | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Nadella: AI is Lean manufacturing for knowledge work
“So I think of AI is the lean for knowledge work.”
Satya Nadella Dec 12, 2024 ▶ 51:55 Satya Nadella | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: There is nothing wrong with taking a company public in a down round
“And there is nothing wrong with a down-round IPO. It's simply a price at a moment in time, and if the market in 20 and 21 was overheated, And prices were really high in the private markets. That's just a fact of life.”
Brad Gerstner Nov 27, 2024 ▶ 14:27 BG2 Thanksgiving Roundtable: DOGE, EV Tax Credit, Tariffs, Conspiracy Theories, Invest America · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Government-Run Instant Payment Rails Drive Broader Fintech Innovation
“It's clear in these other countries that letting the government do this one part and getting it right leads to all kinds of fintech innovation, because you can transfer money quickly.”
Bill Gurley Nov 27, 2024 ▶ 21:17 BG2 Thanksgiving Roundtable: DOGE, EV Tax Credit, Tariffs, Conspiracy Theories, Invest America · Bg2 Pod
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Ball: Raising $100M too early eliminates moderate exit outcomes for founders
“There are companies that could be sold for a 102 hundred million dollars that results in life-changing outcomes for founders and early employees. If you raised a hundred million dollars too early, that exit path is no longer on the table. You can't sell the bu…”
Jamin Ball Oct 31, 2024 ▶ 12:51 Ep19. State of Venture, AI Scaling, Elections | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner, & Jamin Ball · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: High valuations raise future expectations rather than proving company success
“Valuations represent discounted future expectations. And so, you've, you may feel like you've won a prize, but you've really increased everyone's expectation for what this company can achieve. And in order to raise that up around from here, it's way harder tha…”
Bill Gurley Oct 31, 2024 ▶ 18:27 Ep19. State of Venture, AI Scaling, Elections | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner, & Jamin Ball · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: AI automation will struggle in programming due to high error costs
“If the cost Of a five percent error or a 10% error is super high, it's going to take AI a long time to get there. I would argue programming is that way. You can't have five or 10%.”
Bill Gurley Oct 31, 2024 ▶ 1:05:01 Ep19. State of Venture, AI Scaling, Elections | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner, & Jamin Ball · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Hypergrowth delays microeconomics and temporarily masks margin durability
“Hypergrowth tends to delay what you learned in microeconomics class. You know, I remember when I was a PC analyst and there were five public PC companies all growing a hundred percent. And so in, in moments of hypergrowth, you will have margins that may or may…”
Bill Gurley Oct 13, 2024 ▶ 49:18 Ep18. Jensen Recap - Competitive Moat, X.AI, Smart Assistant | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Huang: AI Inference and Post-Training Are Now Just as Hard as Pre-Training
“People used to think that pre-training was hard, and inference was easy. Now everything is hard.”
Jensen Huang Oct 13, 2024 ▶ 5:38 Ep17. Welcome Jensen Huang | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Jensen Huang: AI Is Incorporating Fast and Slow Thinking Models
“There must be a concept of fast thinking, and slow thinking, and reasoning, and reflection, and iteration, and simulation, and all that and that now it's coming in.”
Jensen Huang Oct 13, 2024 ▶ 5:53 Ep17. Welcome Jensen Huang | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Huang: Parallel processing favors transistor volume over individual transistor speed
“Serial processing requires every transistor to be excellent. Parallel processing requires Lots and lots of transistors to be more cost effective. I'd rather have 10 times more transistors, 20% slower. Than 10 times less transistors, 20% faster.”
Jensen Huang Oct 13, 2024 ▶ 13:42 Ep17. Welcome Jensen Huang | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Huang: The entire data center is now the fundamental unit of computing
“The data center is now the unit of computing. To me, when I think about a computer, I'm not thinking about that chip. I'm thinking about this thing. That's my mental model, and all the software, and all the orchestration, all the machinery that's inside.”
Jensen Huang Oct 13, 2024 ▶ 22:38 Ep17. Welcome Jensen Huang | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Hyperscaler buyers are 10x better for nuclear startups than utilities
“If the hyperscalers become part of the customer set for the nuclear startups, that may be like 10 X better than selling just to utilities alone. Like you may have brought innovators to the table. On the purchasing side that may be more open-minded, that may be…”
Bill Gurley Sep 25, 2024 ▶ 2:35 Ep16. Nuclear Update, AI Fast & Furious, State of VC | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Open-sourcing SMR designs eliminates single-source risk for utilities
“The reason to make it IP free, Is to get everyone working on the same platform, to remove single source dependency risk, and to get the utilities confidence that this thing's gonna be successful, and gonna go forward, and to get everyone behind it. So do the L…”
Bill Gurley Sep 9, 2024 ▶ 1:14:28 Ep15: Inside Diablo Canyon Nuclear Power Plant | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: There is no way to accurately value a private company
“There's no way to value a private company. So, so you start with this problem that, that how would you go about saying what it's worth?”
Bill Gurley Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 6:48 Ep13. Silicon Valley’s Political 180, META AI, COVID Postmortem | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Tech giants use open source defensively to neutralize rivals
“Something happened over the past, I'd say 15 years where some of the smartest companies in Silicon Valley have developed a new strategic play where they use open source as a defensive weapon rather than as an offensive weapon.”
Bill Gurley Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 29:04 Ep13. Silicon Valley’s Political 180, META AI, COVID Postmortem | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Lead VC partners tend toward overconfidence when buyout offers arrive
“Usually the partner that's involved in the company, the one that's on the board or that led the investment, they're usually pretty they tend to be overly confident. And that's often balanced by the other partners back at home. So when you circle around the tab…”
Bill Gurley Jul 25, 2024 ▶ 1:00:30 Ep13. Silicon Valley’s Political 180, META AI, COVID Postmortem | BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: Public market investors will always find high-growth, high-margin companies
“Greedy investors will find you if your company is growing really fast in his great margins. Look at Samsara, ok? Samsara went public, and everybody said, too small, not enough coverage, stock's not working. That, that company has been a grand slam home run in …”
Brad Gerstner Jun 22, 2024 ▶ 24:14 Ep11. Coatue Conference Recap, Tesla & ISS Controversy | BG2 with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Startups design with frontier AI models but deploy with cheaper versions
“When I talk to our entrepreneurs that are using these models, they might design with the cutting edge model, but they all back off to the affordable models on implementation, inference, and runtime. They all do.”
Bill Gurley May 16, 2024 ▶ 24:16 Ep9. GPT-4o, Astra, Multi Modal, China Tariffs, Tech Earnings | BG2 with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Massive secondary sales eliminate the primary employee pressure driving IPOs
“When you support massive secondaries, you're taking the number one pressure out of the system that used to lead founders to want to go public because their employees are like, I need liquidity. So you do a release valve, and you take that away”
Bill Gurley Apr 29, 2024 ▶ 57:47 Ep8. AI Models, Data Scaling, Enterprise & Personal AI | BG2 with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: AI Productivity Gains Drop Significantly Outside of Coding Tasks
“We've also talked about the fact that when you move away from coding, the efficacy drops a bit in terms of the productivity gain you might get.”
Bill Gurley Apr 4, 2024 ▶ 5:47 Ep6. AI Demand / Supply - Models, Agents, the $2T Compute Build Out, Need for More Nuclear & More · Bg2 Pod
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Gerstner: Falling Compute Prices Will Massively Surge Aggregate Consumption
“If you drive down the price of the cost of compute, then the reflexivity is people will consume a lot more of it. Now, this is also known as the Jevons paradox, right? As price goes, goes down, we demand more of it. The aggregate amount of Consumed, of the com…”
Brad Gerstner Apr 4, 2024 ▶ 24:48 Ep6. AI Demand / Supply - Models, Agents, the $2T Compute Build Out, Need for More Nuclear & More · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Relative Valuation Games Are How Financial Bubbles Are Built
“There's this relative valuation game, which is how bubbles are built. And because you adjust up to, so you re-rate to a new norm, right?”
Bill Gurley Apr 4, 2024 ▶ 57:31 Ep6. AI Demand / Supply - Models, Agents, the $2T Compute Build Out, Need for More Nuclear & More · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Black-Scholes values one RSU at roughly 2.5 to 3 options
“There's an argument from Black Shoals that a single RSU is worth about two and a half or three options. So if you could switch From these options to an RSU, this investor thought dilution might drop from, say, four percent to 1.2% or something like that, and t…”
Bill Gurley Mar 21, 2024 ▶ 6:46 Ep5. Stock Comp, AI Cold War, Valuations for LLM | BG2 with Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner, & Bob Mylod · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: AI memory systems create massive switching costs and lock-in
“One thing that drives durability, going back to our competitive advantage period, is switching costs. If I start relying on one of these things as my memory, and I don't have a way to pull that out and jump to something else, I'm stuck. Like, I am hook, lock, …”
Bill Gurley Feb 22, 2024 ▶ 37:00 BG2 w/ Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner | NVDA, Chips, AI Compute Build Out, AI Impact on Big Tech | E03 · Bg2 Pod
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Levie: Applying identical multiples to 5% and 90% margin businesses is crazy
“If you're like one click or two clicks removed from Sandhill Road and Sandhill's equally to probably blame at certain points, you're sort of like, oh, tech enabled, everything should all get a six or 10 X revenue multiple when the underlying economics of this …”
Aaron Levie Feb 8, 2024 ▶ 5:09 BG2 with Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner & Aaron Levie | Software Valuations, Earnings, Immigration | E02 · Bg2 Pod
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Levie: Growth-at-all-costs was economically rational for 2010s enterprise SaaS
“I think that was the exactly right economic decision at the time. There was sort of a market share war. You were acquiring customers that maybe had a sort of a five or 10 year You know, kind of lifetime value curve associated with them, maybe even more. And so…”
Aaron Levie Feb 8, 2024 ▶ 10:06 BG2 with Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner & Aaron Levie | Software Valuations, Earnings, Immigration | E02 · Bg2 Pod
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Levie: AI succeeds in coding because code is linear and open-source
“Coding is still working better than most other use cases. And it's because you basically have a workflow where you're in a text interface that is just linear, where most of the sort of knowledge of that, of the field is all public and open source for the most …”
Aaron Levie Feb 8, 2024 ▶ 1:05:23 BG2 with Bill Gurley, Brad Gerstner & Aaron Levie | Software Valuations, Earnings, Immigration | E02 · Bg2 Pod
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Gurley: Founders Must Confront Real Valuations Immediately to Survive
“I think the number one thing a founder can do is to as quickly as possible, get in touch with your, with what your real actual valuation is. And then ask yourself, what do I need to do structurally to give this company a fighting chance, knowing that that's re…”
Bill Gurley Jan 25, 2024 ▶ 39:45 BG2 with Bill Gurley & Brad Gerstner | MANG VC Gone Wild, Can You Trust AI Valuations? & More | E01 · Bg2 Pod
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