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D 5 · C 5 · P 4 · Cm 4 4.60
Q And nobody wanted to talk to you at that point because most people assumed video conferencing was either a settled frontier or a race to the bottom. Am I thinking about that right?
A Absolutely right. That's a thing. Everyone mentioned, Eric, you are crazy. The world does not need to have another video conference solution, and another VC friend, you know, even, is this great friend. He, he told me that, Eric, I have a check for you, as long as you do something else. The good news, I did not listen, and I was very stubborn. I should share your story, and once I was stopped by a big VC, I do not want to mention the name, for sure you guys do not like them, so, and he told me that, Eric, I do not think your strategy works. You know, look at Skype, look at Google Home, look at WebEx, it's dominating, right? And I, I debated with him a little bit, I failed, and I cannot convince him. On the way back, I told myself, I'm gonna change my Windows screen saver. Back then I used the Windows machine. I changed the Windows screen saver. You are wrong, so. For several years. Yeah.
AI assessment note: “Absolutely right. That's a thing. Everyone mentioned, Eric, you are crazy.”
Answered raw tape
D 5 · C 4 · P 4 · Cm 3 4.15
Q the product developed, You scaled with such beautiful capital efficiency, but you did spend money on marketing. I mean, you joked about the billboards, but there are Zoom billboards now. Um, uh, I asked them, you know, how did, how did Eric and Zoom think about spending money on marketing? Um, and, uh, well, I'll let you tell the punchline, but, uh, uh, how, how did you think about it?
A Yeah, that's, uh, yeah, even today, you know, every Tuesday, you know, we have a three hours So, you know, staff meeting, right? You know, this morning, the first topic read about reviewing our marketing, top 10 marketing programs, even today still. I think it's very tricky. The reason why is you do not have, I would say is a sort of like a formula, right? You know, when to spend more, when to spend less. It's not like that. As a founder, you know, you have to spend time on marketing as well. Do not always focus on product or the sales. Marketing also is very important, right? However, when to invest in marketing is very tricky. Everybody is different. In our case, we specifically, you know, made a decision. No marketing team for the first several years. You know, because this is not something new, right? This is a product, or, you know, this is very, very, you know, mature market, everyone understands video conferencing, you know, how, if your product works, you really don't have marketing team, right? We, we try to prove that point. You know, after that, after we have paid a customer, a lot of customers, a customer told us, Eric, I never heard about Zoom, but I try to product, product works. Why is that? We received a very consistent feedback like that. I know that's a signal, right? Then we doubled down on that. Then, in 2015, we created a marketing chip. And also, even afte…
AI assessment note: “In our case, we specifically, you know, made a decision. No marketing team”
Answered raw tape
D 4 · C 4 · P 4 · Cm 3 3.85
Q Eric, did you think from the outset that you were trying to build Zoom as a big company, or did you just think that you wanted to build a profitable company to survive, and then you would sort of see where it went from there?
A I think two things. First of all, at that time, my passion was very straightforward, because, you know, WebEx is more like my baby, right? I feel like I worked so hard for so many years, I let the customer down. I really wanted to, wanted to fix that problem. But Cisco did not want me to, to start over. And I had no choice, you know, but to leave to build a Zoom. That's the number one reason. And after I started a company, I realized, wow, it's so hard to raise capital, right? And by the way, the money that they give to you, don't think about that money. You know, that's a trust. You know, every dollar matters, right? That's why every day I was thinking about how to survive, how to survive, how to survive. Even today, seriously, I still think about, I woke up at night, You know, how to survive, so.
AI assessment note: “That's why every day I was thinking about how to survive”
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D 2 · C 3 · P 3 · Cm 2 2.55
Q And Eric, when, how, how fast should it pay back?
A As I would say, it's, ah, as big as possible, right? It's got, every brain is different, but you got to optimize, and keep optimizing every day. Do not feel satisfied. Oh, give one dollar, get one dollar 50 cents back. No. Optimize, go to get one, two dollars, you know, three dollars, right? You have to optimize. This is one example, right? For every marketing dollars. However, if it works, you'll have to double down. I remember, you know, first time I had, you know, the billboard in one on one. You know, many customers shared a very positive feedback with us. They feel like, ah, early on, we decided to deploy Zoom. I, I saw the billboard. I feel like you guys are a bigger company. We made the right decision, right? To better on Zoom. It was about validating the decision then. Exactly. And plus, the employees, they feel very happy, right? They say, oh my god, Zoom has a billboard now. After that, I realized, why not double down on that? I told our team, how many billboards we have in one, one. I said, no, three. It works.
AI assessment note: “As I would say, it's, ah, as big as possible, right?”
