Softmax CEO Emmett Shear explains to podcast co-host Seb Krier why passing textual instructions to AI models provides goal descriptions rather than direct internal goals.
“You didn't give the AI a goal. You gave the AI a description of a goal. A description of a thing and a thing are not the same.”
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“Someone who you steer, who doesn't get to steer you back, who non-optionally receives your steering, that's called a slave. It's also called a tool if it's not a being. So if it's a machine, it's a tool. And if it's a being, it's a slave.”
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“I get lower predictive loss when I treat them as a being. And the thing is, I get lower predictive loss when I treat ChatGPT or Claude as a being.”
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Shear: Any true AGI will inherently be a sentient being
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“As you go from what we have today, which is mostly a very specific intelligence, not a general intelligence, but as labs succeed at their goal of building this general intelligence, We really need to stop using the steering control paradigm.”
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Emmett Shear: Superhuman AI controlled by steerability will cause human extinction
“If we build the superhuman intelligence tool thing that we try to control with steerability, everyone will die.”
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