Dec 5, 2017 · 24m · a16z

10 Year Futures (vs. What's Happening Now)

Benedict Evans · 22m spoken
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In this Andreessen Horowitz presentation, tech analyst Benedict Evans outlines a framework for understanding technology cycles, demonstrating how mature mobile platforms yield to emerging S-curves including Artificial Intelligence, Autonomous Vehicles, Mixed Reality, and Cryptocurrency.

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The host as informed peer 0.0 Guest teaching 5.3 Guest disagreement 1.0 The host pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:0020:000:00–2:03 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Technological S-Curves and the Evolution of Computing Platforms Evans outlines the historical S-curves of computing platforms from PCs to smartphones. Since this is a monologue presentation, host expertise and host pushback are zero.2:03–4:33 · The host as informed peer 0/10 The Unprecedented Scale and Character of Modern Tech Giants Evans presents data on employment and revenue growth among GAFA to illustrate the unprecedented scale of modern tech giants. Host scores remain zero in this solo presentation.4:33–6:37 · The host as informed peer 0/10 The Vulnerability of Dominant Winners and Emerging S-Curves Evans offers a contrarian reframe showing that past dominant tech winners appeared invulnerable right before they fell. As a monologue, host metrics are strictly zero.6:37–9:41 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Machine Learning as an Infrastructure and Enabling Layer Evans rejects popular hype metaphors around AI and reframes machine learning as an enabling infrastructure layer akin to relational databases. Host scores are zero.9:41–12:07 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Deconstructing Automation and Identifying Practical ML Use Cases Evans deconstructs automation expectations by comparing domain-specific machine learning tools to washing machines rather than sci-fi humanoid robots. Host scores remain zero.12:07–15:38 · The host as informed peer 0/10 The History of Labor Automation and Computer Vision Applications Evans explains how computer vision and machine learning scale lower-level cognitive labor like deploying 100,000 interns. Host scores are zero in this presentation segment.15:38–17:52 · The host as informed peer 0/10 Reimagining Transportation and the Urban Impact of Autonomous Vehicles Evans critiques the term driverless car as a horseless carriage framing and explains how autonomous vehicles will reshape urban design. Host scores are zero.17:52–22:51 · The host as informed peer 0/10 The Emerging Paradigms of Mixed Reality and Cryptocurrency Evans compares mixed reality to 2006 multi-touch and cryptocurrency to 1994 HTML, arguing crypto's core function is automating trust. Host scores are zero.22:51–24:14 · The host as informed peer 0/10 The Skyscraper Metaphor and the Future of Tech S-Curves Evans uses a skyscraper construction metaphor to illustrate the hidden progress occurring across emerging technology S-curves. Host metrics remain zero.0:00–2:03 · Guest teaching 4/10 Technological S-Curves and the Evolution of Computing Platforms Evans outlines the historical S-curves of computing platforms from PCs to smartphones. Since this is a monologue presentation, host expertise and host pushback are zero.2:03–4:33 · Guest teaching 5/10 The Unprecedented Scale and Character of Modern Tech Giants Evans presents data on employment and revenue growth among GAFA to illustrate the unprecedented scale of modern tech giants. Host scores remain zero in this solo presentation.4:33–6:37 · Guest teaching 5/10 The Vulnerability of Dominant Winners and Emerging S-Curves Evans offers a contrarian reframe showing that past dominant tech winners appeared invulnerable right before they fell. As a monologue, host metrics are strictly zero.6:37–9:41 · Guest teaching 6/10 Machine Learning as an Infrastructure and Enabling Layer Evans rejects popular hype metaphors around AI and reframes machine learning as an enabling infrastructure layer akin to relational databases. Host scores are zero.9:41–12:07 · Guest teaching 6/10 Deconstructing Automation and Identifying Practical ML Use Cases Evans deconstructs automation expectations by comparing domain-specific machine learning tools to washing machines rather than sci-fi humanoid robots. Host scores remain zero.12:07–15:38 · Guest teaching 6/10 The History of Labor Automation and Computer Vision Applications Evans explains how computer vision and machine learning scale lower-level cognitive labor like deploying 100,000 interns. Host scores are zero in this presentation segment.15:38–17:52 · Guest teaching 5/10 Reimagining Transportation and the Urban Impact of Autonomous Vehicles Evans critiques the term driverless car as a horseless carriage framing and explains how autonomous vehicles will reshape urban design. Host scores are zero.17:52–22:51 · Guest teaching 6/10 The Emerging Paradigms of Mixed Reality and Cryptocurrency Evans compares mixed reality to 2006 multi-touch and cryptocurrency to 1994 HTML, arguing crypto's core function is automating trust. Host scores are zero.22:51–24:14 · Guest teaching 5/10 The Skyscraper Metaphor and the Future of Tech S-Curves Evans uses a skyscraper construction metaphor to illustrate the hidden progress occurring across emerging technology S-curves. Host metrics remain zero.0:00–2:03 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Technological S-Curves and the Evolution of Computing Platforms Evans outlines the historical S-curves of computing platforms from PCs to smartphones. Since this is a monologue presentation, host expertise and host pushback are zero.2:03–4:33 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Unprecedented Scale and Character of Modern Tech Giants Evans presents data on employment and revenue growth among GAFA to illustrate the unprecedented scale of modern tech giants. Host scores remain zero in this solo presentation.4:33–6:37 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The Vulnerability of Dominant Winners and Emerging S-Curves Evans offers a contrarian reframe showing that past dominant tech winners appeared invulnerable right before they fell. As a monologue, host metrics are strictly zero.6:37–9:41 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Machine Learning as an Infrastructure and Enabling Layer Evans rejects popular hype metaphors around AI and reframes machine learning as an enabling infrastructure layer akin to relational databases. Host scores are zero.9:41–12:07 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Deconstructing Automation and Identifying Practical ML Use Cases Evans deconstructs automation expectations by comparing domain-specific machine learning tools to washing machines rather than sci-fi humanoid robots. Host scores remain zero.12:07–15:38 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The History of Labor Automation and Computer Vision Applications Evans explains how computer vision and machine learning scale lower-level cognitive labor like deploying 100,000 interns. Host scores are zero in this presentation segment.15:38–17:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Reimagining Transportation and the Urban Impact of Autonomous Vehicles Evans critiques the term driverless car as a horseless carriage framing and explains how autonomous vehicles will reshape urban design. Host scores are zero.17:52–22:51 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Emerging Paradigms of Mixed Reality and Cryptocurrency Evans compares mixed reality to 2006 multi-touch and cryptocurrency to 1994 HTML, arguing crypto's core function is automating trust. Host scores are zero.22:51–24:14 · Guest disagreement 1/10 The Skyscraper Metaphor and the Future of Tech S-Curves Evans uses a skyscraper construction metaphor to illustrate the hidden progress occurring across emerging technology S-curves. Host metrics remain zero.0:00–2:03 · The host pushing back 0/10 Technological S-Curves and the Evolution of Computing Platforms Evans outlines the historical S-curves of computing platforms from PCs to smartphones. Since this is a monologue presentation, host expertise and host pushback are zero.2:03–4:33 · The host pushing back 0/10 The Unprecedented Scale and Character of Modern Tech Giants Evans presents data on employment and revenue growth among GAFA to illustrate the unprecedented scale of modern tech giants. Host scores remain zero in this solo presentation.4:33–6:37 · The host pushing back 0/10 The Vulnerability of Dominant Winners and Emerging S-Curves Evans offers a contrarian reframe showing that past dominant tech winners appeared invulnerable right before they fell. As a monologue, host metrics are strictly zero.6:37–9:41 · The host pushing back 0/10 Machine Learning as an Infrastructure and Enabling Layer Evans rejects popular hype metaphors around AI and reframes machine learning as an enabling infrastructure layer akin to relational databases. Host scores are zero.9:41–12:07 · The host pushing back 0/10 Deconstructing Automation and Identifying Practical ML Use Cases Evans deconstructs automation expectations by comparing domain-specific machine learning tools to washing machines rather than sci-fi humanoid robots. Host scores remain zero.12:07–15:38 · The host pushing back 0/10 The History of Labor Automation and Computer Vision Applications Evans explains how computer vision and machine learning scale lower-level cognitive labor like deploying 100,000 interns. Host scores are zero in this presentation segment.15:38–17:52 · The host pushing back 0/10 Reimagining Transportation and the Urban Impact of Autonomous Vehicles Evans critiques the term driverless car as a horseless carriage framing and explains how autonomous vehicles will reshape urban design. Host scores are zero.17:52–22:51 · The host pushing back 0/10 The Emerging Paradigms of Mixed Reality and Cryptocurrency Evans compares mixed reality to 2006 multi-touch and cryptocurrency to 1994 HTML, arguing crypto's core function is automating trust. Host scores are zero.22:51–24:14 · The host pushing back 0/10 The Skyscraper Metaphor and the Future of Tech S-Curves Evans uses a skyscraper construction metaphor to illustrate the hidden progress occurring across emerging technology S-curves. Host metrics remain zero.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:00 Rejecting popular AI hype tropes

Evans forcefully dismisses conventional AI tropes, mocking comparisons to the 2001 black monolith or calling AI the new oil.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 14:16 Absence of host pushback in monologue

Because the host does not speak during this presentation monologue, host pushback is absent throughout the episode.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 12:45 Machine learning as 100,000 interns

Evans educates the audience on AI capability by framing machine learning as a massive multiplier equivalent to having 100,000 interns process data.

The host holds their own ▶ 0:00 No host hits back in monologue

The host does not make any verbal contributions in this transcript, so there are no instances of the host demonstrating expertise or hitting back.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Technological S-Curves and the Evolution of Computing Platforms 0400 Evans outlines the historical S-curves of computing platforms from PCs to smartphones. Since this is a monologue presentation, host expertise and host pushback are zero.
The Unprecedented Scale and Character of Modern Tech Giants 0510 Evans presents data on employment and revenue growth among GAFA to illustrate the unprecedented scale of modern tech giants. Host scores remain zero in this solo presentation.
The Vulnerability of Dominant Winners and Emerging S-Curves 0520 Evans offers a contrarian reframe showing that past dominant tech winners appeared invulnerable right before they fell. As a monologue, host metrics are strictly zero.
Machine Learning as an Infrastructure and Enabling Layer 0620 Evans rejects popular hype metaphors around AI and reframes machine learning as an enabling infrastructure layer akin to relational databases. Host scores are zero.
Deconstructing Automation and Identifying Practical ML Use Cases 0610 Evans deconstructs automation expectations by comparing domain-specific machine learning tools to washing machines rather than sci-fi humanoid robots. Host scores remain zero.
The History of Labor Automation and Computer Vision Applications 0600 Evans explains how computer vision and machine learning scale lower-level cognitive labor like deploying 100,000 interns. Host scores are zero in this presentation segment.
Reimagining Transportation and the Urban Impact of Autonomous Vehicles 0510 Evans critiques the term driverless car as a horseless carriage framing and explains how autonomous vehicles will reshape urban design. Host scores are zero.
The Emerging Paradigms of Mixed Reality and Cryptocurrency 0610 Evans compares mixed reality to 2006 multi-touch and cryptocurrency to 1994 HTML, arguing crypto's core function is automating trust. Host scores are zero.
The Skyscraper Metaphor and the Future of Tech S-Curves 0510 Evans uses a skyscraper construction metaphor to illustrate the hidden progress occurring across emerging technology S-curves. Host metrics remain zero.

Statements from this episode (17)

Assertion Supported
Evans: PC installed base reached roughly 1.5 billion global units
“It's the growth of the PC, which went from nothing to about one and a half billion units installed around the world in the last couple of decades.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 0:12
Assertion Supported
Evans: Mobile market reached 3 billion smartphones and 5 billion total phones
“So there's three billion smartphones, five billion mobile phones, maybe five and a half billion adults.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 0:34
Assertion Supported
Marc Andreessen Believed He Missed Tech's Wave in 1994
“Ah, so back in 1994, a young student called Marc Andreessen came out here and said he thought he'd missed the whole thing, because everything had already happened.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 1:35
Prediction Held up
Evans predicts Amazon will reach 600,000 employees by end of 2017
“Amazon will probably end this year with about 600,000 people.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 3:31
Assertion Partly supported
Evans: Google and Facebook captured half of print's internet ad revenue
“Internet took about half of the print industry's advertising revenue and growing, but Google and Facebook took half of that.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 3:38
Insight
Evans: Dominant Tech Giants Always Look Invulnerable Right Before They Fall
“The winners always look invulnerable until they don't. So, IBM looked invulnerable, then Microsoft, Intel, Nokia did, then the internet giants of the last bubble, now Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon look invulnerable, but all the previous ones fell, and it was…”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 4:57
Insight
Evans: Framing tech as AI is less useful than framing as enabling layers
“In fact, I think calling it AI itself is unhelpful. Talking about artificial intelligence is sort of unhelpful. It's more useful first of all, to say machine learning, which is the primary technology we're interested in, to talk about automation, and I think t…”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 7:09
Insight
Evans: Oracle's database dominance didn't prevent Salesforce from succeeding
“Pretty much every enterprise software company is a relational database, but nobody looks at CRM or Salesforce or SuccessFactors and says, well, that won't work because Oracle has all the database.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 8:17
Insight
Evans: Machine learning turns diverse domain questions into generalizable pattern problems
“Is that finding patterns becomes a generalizable solution. So is there a cat in this picture becomes the same kind of question as which customers are going to churn, or is that car going to let me merge, or is there something odd happening on our network, or i…”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 9:12
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Evans: Machine learning applications will far exceed simple cat picture demos
“And so the same thing with machine learning now, the first demos we get are cat pictures and trivia questions, but, you know, there will be an awful lot of other things that get built with that, because those are just demos, those aren't actually what the tech…”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 11:56
Insight
Evans: Machine learning multiplies human capacity rather than replacing individuals
“Machine learning doesn't replace one person. It gives you the capability to do what you could only have done if you had a thousand of those people before.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 13:32
Opinion
Evans: Computer vision alone makes machine learning tech's biggest trend
“If machine learning only did image recognition, that we would still be the biggest thing in the tech industry, because computers are going to be able to see.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 13:46
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Evans: Autonomous vehicles will trigger societal changes comparable to mass car adoption
“There's an old saying that it was easy to predict mass car ownership, but hard to predict Walmart. That's kind of the change of, the scale of change that happened from horses. We'll expect to see a sort of a similar scale of change happening from automating ca…”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 17:20
Insight
Evans: Mixed Reality in 2017 Mirrors Multi-Touch in 2006
“Just as my multitouch was in 2006, and that then became the interaction model for the whole world, mixed reality is sort of in that kind of stage. It's in the stage of prototypes that work, not in the stage of the shipping commercial product, but pretty close.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 18:35
Insight
Evans: Cryptocurrency in 2017 Resembles the Web in 1994
“Now, if mixed reality is at a sort of a 2006 stage, then crypto or cryptocurrencies feel more like a 2000, sorry, a 1994 stage which is sort of where HTML, HTML was sent.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 19:59
Insight
Evans: Cryptocurrency Automates Money and Trust
“What is it that crypto automates? Well, it automates another kind of technology. It automates, well, money, but it automates trust.”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 21:17
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Evans Compares Maturity of AI, Crypto, Mixed Reality, and Autonomy
“For autonomy, we are still very much down in the muddy hole in the ground, digging foundations. Mixed reality is just sort of moving out of that to the point that you can throw the frame up. For cryptocurrency, the frame has gone up. We're just trying to work …”
Benedict Evans Dec 5, 2017 ▶ 23:46
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