Jan 2, 2019 · 48m · a16z
a16z Podcast | How to Lead, Not Manage Your Board
Scott Weiss · 11m spoken Spencer Rascoff · 10m spoken Aaron Levie · 7m spoken Bill Krauss · 7m spoken Dan Warmenhoven · 5m spoken
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In this a16z podcast panel, seasoned executives and founders share actionable strategies for constructing, managing, and leading corporate boards across startup stages. The discussion highlights board composition, effective meeting dynamics, executive feedback loops, and the importance of external CEO support networks.
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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
The host as informed peer 3.4 Guest teaching 2.5 Guest disagreement 0.9 The host pushing back 0.6
speaking balance: gold is the host, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 4:18 Dan Warmenhoven dissents from Scott's board expansion rule
Dan directly pushes back on Scott's recommended ratio of adding a CEO for every VC, arguing that having more than one independent director early creates too many mouths to feed.
Hardest push from the host ▶ 23:57 Scott Weiss interjects to forcefully defend executive sessionsScott halts Spencer mid-sentence to strongly insist that scheduled executive sessions are essential to prevent board members from holding backchannel meetings behind the CEO's back.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 39:18 Dan Warmenhoven reframes the fiduciary mandate of boardsDan firmly corrects room assumptions about director roles, reminding founders that the board exists to protect the enterprise rather than support the CEO personally, making the CEO expendable.
The host holds their own ▶ 46:27 Scott Weiss outlines his 'notes from the road' communication frameworkScott demonstrates seasoned CEO operating expertise by explaining how he drafted raw customer field updates on flights back from trips to keep both directors and internal staff aligned.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The host as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The host pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Panel Introductions and Director Backgrounds | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Scott introduces the panel and shares his founder and board background at Ironport and A16Z. The guests briefly introduce their extensive private and public board histories in a collaborative manner. | |
| Audience Survey and Early-Stage Board Composition Strategies | 4 | 3 | 2 | 2 | Scott proposes a strict rule of thumb to add one CEO for every VC added to early-stage boards. Dan Warmenhoven mildly disagrees, arguing that more than one outsider before Series B creates too many mouths to feed, leading Scott to clarify his ratio framework. | |
| Selecting Directors: Generalist Experience vs. Domain Expertise | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | Aaron Levie explains Box's evolution from needing flexible early investors to domain-specific board members like GE's former CIO. Dan underscores the necessity of generalist operating experience early over specialized domain expertise, with Scott adding that early directors function as CEO coaches. | |
| Constructing Board Diversity and Vetting Venture Partners | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | Spencer Rascoff compares board construction to assembling a baseball team of diverse skill sets to keep management honest. Bill Krauss and Spencer emphasize vetting the individual VC partner rather than just the VC firm brand, prompting Scott to discuss conducting reference checks. | |
| Structuring Board Meetings and CEO Leadership | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | Scott sets up board meeting preparation with the metaphor that boards eat whatever management serves them. Dan and Bill outline practical guidelines for leading boards, maintaining concise decks, avoiding dense slides, and delivering bad news quickly. | |
| Executive Attendance, Memo Formats, and Meeting Tactics | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | Aaron Levie discusses using executive participation to drive team accountability and detect scale issues. Spencer Rascoff details transitioning from slide decks to narrative memo formats and managing executive invitations thoughtfully. | |
| Normalizing Executive Sessions and Classroom Dynamics | 5 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Scott forcefully interrupts Spencer to strongly advocate for executive sessions without the CEO, explaining that normalizing them prevents directors from conspiring outside meetings. Scott contrasts open, productive meetings with secretive ones where management hides critical operational problems. | |
| Audience Q&A: Ideal Board Size and Managing Observers | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | In response to an audience question about board bloat, Dan recommends capping board size at eight people for public companies. Spencer shares an experience sitting in a crowded 30-person board meeting and offers strategies to limit observers, while Scott notes customer observers can hinder open debate. | |
| Audience Q&A: Meeting Cadence and CEO External Support Systems | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Bill Krauss details standard board agendas, while Scott offers a distinct opening tactic of starting meetings with a CEO highlights-and-issues slide. Aaron explains that CEOs should cultivate external peer networks rather than relying exclusively on the board for personal development. | |
| Audience Q&A: Board Fiduciary Duties, Peer Networks, and Stage Alignment | 4 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Dan Warmenhoven delivers a blunt reality check to the room, asserting that the board exists to serve the company and that CEOs are expendable. Scott differentiates between operational questions appropriate for board members versus vulnerable questions best reserved for an independent CEO coach. | |
| Audience Q&A: Inter-Meeting Board Communications and Conclusion | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | The panel discusses maintaining inter-meeting board communications, with Bill recommending monthly updates and Aaron advocating reusing internal company emails. Scott shares his own practice of sending 'notes from the road' to both his board and full team after field visits. |
Statements from this episode (28)
Weiss: Balance every VC board member with an experienced CEO director
“I always kind of had a rule of thumb, like every time a VC joined my board, I'd add a CEO.”
Warmenhoven: Adding more than one outside director before Series B is excessive
“Any more than one outsider until you get to Series B is maybe too many mouths to feed.”
Warmenhoven: Former operators on boards effectively mediate between competing VCs
“Having somebody who's actually been an operating guy, et cetera, I think has got a lot of value, and they also can be a mediary between the various venture capitalists and ways that a CEO can't, right?”
Levie: Box added former GE CIO to board to target large enterprises
“So as an example two to three years ago we were really going into the large end of the enterprise, and so the person that we selected to bring on the board was the previous CIO of General Electric.”
Warmenhoven: Early-stage boards should prioritize operating generalists over domain experts
“I wouldn't focus early on, on domain expertise or whatever. I'd focus on trying to find somebody who's been an experienced operating guy, or person, woman and who really can add to the evolution, if you will, of your business model. Not so much domain expertis…”
Rascoff: Domain expert directors keep management honest and thoroughly prepared
“It's more that in the boardroom, It keeps the conversation on that topic much more honest, and it forces the management team to become much more prepared, because the, they know they can't snow the director on that particular topic. Maybe they can snow the oth…”
Rascoff: VC firm brand matters far less than individual board partner
“And don't just think about the Brand of the VC. Because once the check clears, that doesn't really matter that much. What matters is who's in the boardroom for the next 10 years.”
Weiss: Boards scrutinize every number management puts on a slide
“The board eats whatever you serve them, and so you are the one that's preparing the meal and putting it in front of them, but you know, if you put up a slide with a bunch of numbers, they're going to ask you about every single number on that slide, right?”
Warmenhoven: Best board meetings minimize routine updates to discuss strategic issues
“I find the best meetings are those which are very succinct around mundane, And leave lots of time for the meaty subjects.”
Krauss: Sending board decks on time reveals a CEO's execution capacity
“One of the things I use to judge the capabilities of the CEO is, can they get their shit together and get the board package out in some reasonable amount of time, two to three days in advance? If you get it the night before, and if you can't manage getting the…”
Levie: Bringing executive team to board meetings drives execution and accountability
“Including executives, ah, in, in obviously sessions at the board meeting, it's a great way to create accountability for other members of the team and it drives, ah, you know, that drives execution”
Rascoff: Zillow mandates board materials be sent 48 hours in advance
“We require decks have to get out or memos or whatever, 48 hours ahead of time. You know, if possible, 72 hours, but 48 is the absolute... Latest.”
Rascoff: Zillow replaced board PowerPoint decks with Amazon-style written memos
“We switched about a year ago to a memo system after Bezos and Amazon's model of kind of no PowerPoint for one or two meetings in a row.”
Rascoff: Inviting executives to board meetings creates a hard-to-reverse precedent
“Once you start inviting executives to board meetings, it's really hard to get them out.”
Weiss: Regular executive sessions stop board members from conspiring offline
“Because it's like with every board I'm on after a period of time, I try to convince the CEO that it's a good idea because the first, like when I first walk in, It's normally like, what? You're gonna be talking about me, like, when I'm not here? But the implied…”
Warmenhoven: Co-founders and direct reports must be excluded from board executive sessions
“Since all those issues are performance related, it's really awkward to have one of the CEOs direct reports in the room. And you find a lot of board structures that start off with a CEO and a technical founder or whatever, a co-founder. Get them off. Get them o…”
Rascoff: Board members dialing in via phone are effectively useless
“I hate when I have to dial into a, to a board call, and I hate when people are on the phone. I just think it, You know, we all know they're only half paying attention. We all know that, you know, it's hard for them to hear, and papers are shuffling and whateve…”
Rascoff: Bad news must be shared before board meetings to avoid surprises
“The biggest sign of a bad board meeting is one where there's, there are a lot of surprises. Like, if you've got bad news to share, for example, you want to share it ahead of time, and you want to make sure that you know, bad news should travel faster than good…”
Warmenhoven: The ideal public company board size is exactly eight directors
“Once you're public, I would guess it's probably about eight, the CEO plus seven others. I mean, you gotta have financial experts and comp committees and all the rest of that stuff, but any more than eight is just, I mean, it's just too many.”
Rascoff: Zulily's first board meeting had 30 attendees due to observers
“So when I showed up the first time at the first Zulily board meeting, there were literally 30 people there or something, because it was a hot company about to go public. Everyone was there with their observer seat, and their assistant, and their associate, and…”
Weiss: Customer board observers inhibit open discussion of company issues
“Where you try to get like a customer on your board, you know, like where, where they'd want an observer seat if they do a strategic round, somebody, Like, you know, I won't name any names, but sometimes that can alter what you say in the board meeting. You kno…”
Warmenhoven: Start board meetings with an unscripted, closed-door CEO report
“I encourage every CEO of every board I'm on to start the meeting that way. It's a private meeting. It's a closed-door session. It's a CEO report. What it's labeled as is no materials in advance. It's all verbal.”
Levie: Box has never conducted a formal board search
“We've never done a board search. What we've done is, is built advisors around the company, gotten close to lots of people I've personally engaged with, you know, 50 or so CEOs that have been through very similar problems over, over, you know, similar eras of t…”
Warmenhoven: Boards exist for company success, not CEO personal development
“The board is not there to help you be successful. The board is there to help the company be successful. You are expendable. Just keep that in mind. The amount of time you should spend on your personal development in a board meeting is zero.”
Weiss: CEOs should ask vulnerable questions to coaches, not board members
“I would also recommend that there are things that you don't want to share with board members that you'd want to have a mentor or a CEO coach that you can ask those stupid questions with. So they're, you know, like, I think there's a range of questions that I f…”
Rascoff: Early-stage VCs were more helpful than Fortune 500 CEOs in 2008
“I'm thinking back to 2008 when, you know, the world came to an end. The directors that were most helpful to us working through that were the VCs that had a lot of early stage experience and had seen a lot of other companies die. It wasn't the marquee, you know…”
Krauss: Monthly board updates force CEOs to clarify strategic thinking
“A monthly letter from the CEO is very helpful. Both for, more, equally for you as the CEO, because it forces you, I think Spencer may have said, or Aaron may have said, but, you know, forces you to put your thoughts together in a, you know, cohesive way.”
Levie: CEOs should forward existing internal company notes to boards
“You can actually find lots of ways to leverage communication you're already doing. So, like, we send a company all hands note monthly, and that is, sort of, lays out the strategy or whatever. Just literally forwarding that to the board of, FYI, here's the late…”