Jan 2, 2019 · 28m · a16z

a16z Podcast | Finding and Hiring for (Expectations) Fit on Both Sides

Jeff Stump · 15m spoken Michael Copeland · 4m spoken
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In this episode of the a16z Podcast, host Michael Copeland and executive talent experts Jeff Stump and Gia explore how startup founders and executive candidates can rigorously evaluate mutual fit, align on role expectations, and utilize practical interviewing frameworks like the 100-day plan simulation to ensure long-term recruitment success.

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The host as informed peer 2.4 Guest teaching 3.6 Guest disagreement 0.8 The host pushing back 1.6
05100:0010:0020:000:45–4:10 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Distinguishing Role Fit from Cultural Fit Host sets up the discussion on hiring fit vs culture. Guests Jeff and Gia outline the distinction between role fit (expectations/motivations) and cultural fit, maintaining a highly collaborative tone.4:10–8:31 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Alignment with Mission and Long-Term Company Culture Host asks how founders can practically test for candidate passion and mission alignment. Host inserts domain familiarity by referencing general partner Peter Levine when Jeff mentions an infrastructure enthusiast.8:31–12:19 · The host as informed peer 2/10 The 100-Day Plan Simulation Process Jeff and Gia outline the 100-day plan simulation as the key method to assess leadership candidates. The host facilitates and lets the guests elaborate on executive alignment and staff meeting simulations.12:19–16:15 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Candidate Mindset and Overcoming 100-Day Plan Anxiety Host plays devil's advocate, challenging whether candidates balk at unpaid work during the 100-day plan. Jeff forcefully counters that unmotivated candidates reveal themselves, showing moderate dynamic pushback.16:15–19:34 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Operationalizing the Plan and Real-World Examples Guests describe how candidates use the plan on day one and cite real-world executive examples like Brian Roberts at Lyft. Host asks guiding questions about post-hire verification.19:34–22:09 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Analyzing Executive Failure and Failure to Launch Guests explain why executive hires fail, attributing it to hidden organizational dysfunction or personal life disruptions. Host simply asks for the failure scenarios and lets guests educate.22:09–24:31 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Candidate Due Diligence and Assessing Mutual Fit Host asks what candidates should evaluate when joining startups. Guests advise executive candidates to ensure clarity on role charter and be prepared to educate first-time founders.24:31–28:53 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Defining Culture through Traditions and Conclusion Jeff reframes company culture as 'traditions' rather than fluffy buzzwords. Host summarizes the key takeaway about establishing traditions early before wrapping up.0:45–4:10 · Guest teaching 4/10 Distinguishing Role Fit from Cultural Fit Host sets up the discussion on hiring fit vs culture. Guests Jeff and Gia outline the distinction between role fit (expectations/motivations) and cultural fit, maintaining a highly collaborative tone.4:10–8:31 · Guest teaching 3/10 Alignment with Mission and Long-Term Company Culture Host asks how founders can practically test for candidate passion and mission alignment. Host inserts domain familiarity by referencing general partner Peter Levine when Jeff mentions an infrastructure enthusiast.8:31–12:19 · Guest teaching 4/10 The 100-Day Plan Simulation Process Jeff and Gia outline the 100-day plan simulation as the key method to assess leadership candidates. The host facilitates and lets the guests elaborate on executive alignment and staff meeting simulations.12:19–16:15 · Guest teaching 4/10 Candidate Mindset and Overcoming 100-Day Plan Anxiety Host plays devil's advocate, challenging whether candidates balk at unpaid work during the 100-day plan. Jeff forcefully counters that unmotivated candidates reveal themselves, showing moderate dynamic pushback.16:15–19:34 · Guest teaching 3/10 Operationalizing the Plan and Real-World Examples Guests describe how candidates use the plan on day one and cite real-world executive examples like Brian Roberts at Lyft. Host asks guiding questions about post-hire verification.19:34–22:09 · Guest teaching 4/10 Analyzing Executive Failure and Failure to Launch Guests explain why executive hires fail, attributing it to hidden organizational dysfunction or personal life disruptions. Host simply asks for the failure scenarios and lets guests educate.22:09–24:31 · Guest teaching 3/10 Candidate Due Diligence and Assessing Mutual Fit Host asks what candidates should evaluate when joining startups. Guests advise executive candidates to ensure clarity on role charter and be prepared to educate first-time founders.24:31–28:53 · Guest teaching 4/10 Defining Culture through Traditions and Conclusion Jeff reframes company culture as 'traditions' rather than fluffy buzzwords. Host summarizes the key takeaway about establishing traditions early before wrapping up.0:45–4:10 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Distinguishing Role Fit from Cultural Fit Host sets up the discussion on hiring fit vs culture. Guests Jeff and Gia outline the distinction between role fit (expectations/motivations) and cultural fit, maintaining a highly collaborative tone.4:10–8:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Alignment with Mission and Long-Term Company Culture Host asks how founders can practically test for candidate passion and mission alignment. Host inserts domain familiarity by referencing general partner Peter Levine when Jeff mentions an infrastructure enthusiast.8:31–12:19 · Guest disagreement 0/10 The 100-Day Plan Simulation Process Jeff and Gia outline the 100-day plan simulation as the key method to assess leadership candidates. The host facilitates and lets the guests elaborate on executive alignment and staff meeting simulations.12:19–16:15 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Candidate Mindset and Overcoming 100-Day Plan Anxiety Host plays devil's advocate, challenging whether candidates balk at unpaid work during the 100-day plan. Jeff forcefully counters that unmotivated candidates reveal themselves, showing moderate dynamic pushback.16:15–19:34 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Operationalizing the Plan and Real-World Examples Guests describe how candidates use the plan on day one and cite real-world executive examples like Brian Roberts at Lyft. Host asks guiding questions about post-hire verification.19:34–22:09 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Analyzing Executive Failure and Failure to Launch Guests explain why executive hires fail, attributing it to hidden organizational dysfunction or personal life disruptions. Host simply asks for the failure scenarios and lets guests educate.22:09–24:31 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Candidate Due Diligence and Assessing Mutual Fit Host asks what candidates should evaluate when joining startups. Guests advise executive candidates to ensure clarity on role charter and be prepared to educate first-time founders.24:31–28:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Defining Culture through Traditions and Conclusion Jeff reframes company culture as 'traditions' rather than fluffy buzzwords. Host summarizes the key takeaway about establishing traditions early before wrapping up.0:45–4:10 · The host pushing back 1/10 Distinguishing Role Fit from Cultural Fit Host sets up the discussion on hiring fit vs culture. Guests Jeff and Gia outline the distinction between role fit (expectations/motivations) and cultural fit, maintaining a highly collaborative tone.4:10–8:31 · The host pushing back 2/10 Alignment with Mission and Long-Term Company Culture Host asks how founders can practically test for candidate passion and mission alignment. Host inserts domain familiarity by referencing general partner Peter Levine when Jeff mentions an infrastructure enthusiast.8:31–12:19 · The host pushing back 1/10 The 100-Day Plan Simulation Process Jeff and Gia outline the 100-day plan simulation as the key method to assess leadership candidates. The host facilitates and lets the guests elaborate on executive alignment and staff meeting simulations.12:19–16:15 · The host pushing back 5/10 Candidate Mindset and Overcoming 100-Day Plan Anxiety Host plays devil's advocate, challenging whether candidates balk at unpaid work during the 100-day plan. Jeff forcefully counters that unmotivated candidates reveal themselves, showing moderate dynamic pushback.16:15–19:34 · The host pushing back 1/10 Operationalizing the Plan and Real-World Examples Guests describe how candidates use the plan on day one and cite real-world executive examples like Brian Roberts at Lyft. Host asks guiding questions about post-hire verification.19:34–22:09 · The host pushing back 1/10 Analyzing Executive Failure and Failure to Launch Guests explain why executive hires fail, attributing it to hidden organizational dysfunction or personal life disruptions. Host simply asks for the failure scenarios and lets guests educate.22:09–24:31 · The host pushing back 1/10 Candidate Due Diligence and Assessing Mutual Fit Host asks what candidates should evaluate when joining startups. Guests advise executive candidates to ensure clarity on role charter and be prepared to educate first-time founders.24:31–28:53 · The host pushing back 1/10 Defining Culture through Traditions and Conclusion Jeff reframes company culture as 'traditions' rather than fluffy buzzwords. Host summarizes the key takeaway about establishing traditions early before wrapping up.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:56 Guest rejects hypothetical failure premise

When the host asks what happens if a candidate's 100-day plan strategy is completely wrong, Jeff passionately counters with 'Don't you want to frickin' know that before taking the job?'

Hardest push from the host ▶ 12:10 Host challenges unpaid candidate labor

Host pushes back on the 100-day plan requirement, pointing out that asking unhired candidates to produce extensive work before joining could turn them off.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 25:02 Guest deconstructs 'culture' as a fluffy word

Jeff reframes the broad concept of corporate culture, explaining that the term is overused and fluffy, and educates that hiring should evaluate concrete company traditions instead.

The host holds their own ▶ 5:38 Host connects guest story to partner Peter Levine

Host demonstrates deep knowledge of his own firm's partners by immediately identifying general partner Peter Levine when Jeff describes an infrastructure executive who calls himself a plumber.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Distinguishing Role Fit from Cultural Fit 2411 Host sets up the discussion on hiring fit vs culture. Guests Jeff and Gia outline the distinction between role fit (expectations/motivations) and cultural fit, maintaining a highly collaborative tone.
Alignment with Mission and Long-Term Company Culture 3312 Host asks how founders can practically test for candidate passion and mission alignment. Host inserts domain familiarity by referencing general partner Peter Levine when Jeff mentions an infrastructure enthusiast.
The 100-Day Plan Simulation Process 2401 Jeff and Gia outline the 100-day plan simulation as the key method to assess leadership candidates. The host facilitates and lets the guests elaborate on executive alignment and staff meeting simulations.
Candidate Mindset and Overcoming 100-Day Plan Anxiety 3435 Host plays devil's advocate, challenging whether candidates balk at unpaid work during the 100-day plan. Jeff forcefully counters that unmotivated candidates reveal themselves, showing moderate dynamic pushback.
Operationalizing the Plan and Real-World Examples 2301 Guests describe how candidates use the plan on day one and cite real-world executive examples like Brian Roberts at Lyft. Host asks guiding questions about post-hire verification.
Analyzing Executive Failure and Failure to Launch 2401 Guests explain why executive hires fail, attributing it to hidden organizational dysfunction or personal life disruptions. Host simply asks for the failure scenarios and lets guests educate.
Candidate Due Diligence and Assessing Mutual Fit 2301 Host asks what candidates should evaluate when joining startups. Guests advise executive candidates to ensure clarity on role charter and be prepared to educate first-time founders.
Defining Culture through Traditions and Conclusion 3411 Jeff reframes company culture as 'traditions' rather than fluffy buzzwords. Host summarizes the key takeaway about establishing traditions early before wrapping up.

Statements from this episode (8)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Brian Chesky prioritizes candidates' belief in Airbnb's mission during hiring
“There's definitely companies in our portfolio like Brian Chesky at Airbnb that that care deeply about the interest of people that are joining Airbnb. Do they believe in the movement? Do they believe in the cause?”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 4:42
Disclosure
An executive left a $6M-$7M compensation package for an a16z startup
“We have an executive joining one of our companies, and she's leaving a six to seven million dollar annual package on the table to go do this thing, and, like, what better example do you need, like, and it wasn't a difficult decision for her, like, she just bel…”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 7:55
Assertion Not checkable as stated
100-day plan presentations consistently break ties between executive candidates
“Very rarely do we have our portfolios company CEOs come out of that and saying, this is still a close race.”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 12:04
Assertion Not checkable as stated
A VP executed her 100-day plan immediately after securing interview buy-in
“It was about six months ago, a VP of HR that was hired under one of these, who had not done these before, walked into my office, and she's like, I literally laid my hundred-day game plan on my desk on the first day of the job, and just started at it. She's lik…”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 16:23
Insight
Executive hire performance typically becomes clear in months three and four
“There's a honeymoon period, as we call it, and then, you know, the rubber, rubber usually meets the road, I would say, in month three, month four where, like, is, is this person usually, and usually, are they doing a good job?”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 18:22
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lyft founders praised Brian Roberts as transformational within weeks of hiring
“One of the amazing examples was really at Lyft with the hire of Brian Roberts and had an immediate impact with Logan and John early on, like within weeks, they called up and said, this guy has been transformational to our business.”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 19:06
Insight
Startup executives are completely exposed with nowhere to hide
“The unique thing about a startup, there is nowhere to hide, right? I mean, there's nowhere to hide. You know, you can't crawl under a desk, like, you're completely exposed as an executive in a young company, because everything's your fault.”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 21:49
Insight
Company traditions reveal true culture better than stated values
“I think traditions of companies are kind of more demonstrate what the company's about than what they perceive their cultural values to be.”
Jeff Stump Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 25:51
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