Jan 2, 2019 · 41m · a16z

a16z Podcast | When Bio Meets Computer Science

Vijay Pande · 25m spoken Marc Andreessen · 9m spoken Chris Dixon · 4m spoken Sonal Chokshi · 33s spoken
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In this episode of the a16z podcast, computer scientist and venture partner Vijay Pandey joins Marc Andreessen and Chris Dixon to discuss how the convergence of computer science, cloud automation, and big data is revolutionizing biotechnology and healthcare economics.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The host holds 1.5% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

The host as informed peer 4.7 Guest teaching 4.4 Guest disagreement 0.9 The host pushing back 2.1
05100:0015:0030:001:18–5:34 · The host as informed peer 6/10 Convergence of IT and Life Sciences Marc and Chris frame the discussion using historical technology parallels such as 1980s fabless semiconductor manufacturing and AWS infrastructure. Vijay elaborates on how modern biology startups are blending software speed with low initial capital requirements.5:34–12:58 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Digital Therapeutics and Behavioral Healthcare Marc pushes Vijay on whether mobile apps can genuinely solve medical conditions like diabetes with actual clinical proof, while citing that 75% of long-term healthcare spending relates to behavioral issues. Vijay explains how digital therapeutics enforce compliance better than traditional pharmaceuticals.12:58–18:17 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Cloud Biology and Scientific Reproducibility Marc asks whether high irreproducibility rates in scientific research amount to outright fraud, prompting Vijay to clarify the physical and human labor stresses involved in manual lab work. Vijay further educates the hosts on how cloud biology like Emerald Therapeutics automates experiments to guarantee programmatic reproducibility.18:17–26:26 · The host as informed peer 6/10 Computational Medicine, Data Flood, and Precision Genomics Chris voices skepticism about unfulfilled 1980s promises regarding computers in biology, and Marc questions why cheap genomic sequencing will deliver results when the original human genome project failed to produce immediate cures. Vijay reframes genomics as a software matching challenge tailored to tumor heterogeneity.26:26–31:53 · The host as informed peer 7/10 Startup Economics: Moore's Law vs. Eroom's Law Marc demonstrates deep venture capital expertise by contrasting 1999 dot-com capital outlays of twenty million dollars with post-2005 lean cloud startups operating on credit cards. Vijay agrees that software-driven bio companies follow Moore's Law rather than the escalating costs of Eroom's Law.31:53–34:32 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Vijay Pandey's Academic and Entrepreneurial Journey Vijay shares his personal trajectory from joining Naughty Dog at age fifteen to holding multiple chairs across chemistry and biophysics at Stanford. Marc simply prompts and listens to Vijay's narrative.34:32–41:52 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Major Projects: Folding@home and Globivir Vijay details Folding@home's 40-petaflop crowdsourced network for protein folding and Globivir's computational drug repurposing for tropical diseases. Marc and Chris ask supportive questions to clarify the mechanics of drug safety testing and distributed compute power.1:18–5:34 · Guest teaching 3/10 Convergence of IT and Life Sciences Marc and Chris frame the discussion using historical technology parallels such as 1980s fabless semiconductor manufacturing and AWS infrastructure. Vijay elaborates on how modern biology startups are blending software speed with low initial capital requirements.5:34–12:58 · Guest teaching 5/10 Digital Therapeutics and Behavioral Healthcare Marc pushes Vijay on whether mobile apps can genuinely solve medical conditions like diabetes with actual clinical proof, while citing that 75% of long-term healthcare spending relates to behavioral issues. Vijay explains how digital therapeutics enforce compliance better than traditional pharmaceuticals.12:58–18:17 · Guest teaching 6/10 Cloud Biology and Scientific Reproducibility Marc asks whether high irreproducibility rates in scientific research amount to outright fraud, prompting Vijay to clarify the physical and human labor stresses involved in manual lab work. Vijay further educates the hosts on how cloud biology like Emerald Therapeutics automates experiments to guarantee programmatic reproducibility.18:17–26:26 · Guest teaching 6/10 Computational Medicine, Data Flood, and Precision Genomics Chris voices skepticism about unfulfilled 1980s promises regarding computers in biology, and Marc questions why cheap genomic sequencing will deliver results when the original human genome project failed to produce immediate cures. Vijay reframes genomics as a software matching challenge tailored to tumor heterogeneity.26:26–31:53 · Guest teaching 4/10 Startup Economics: Moore's Law vs. Eroom's Law Marc demonstrates deep venture capital expertise by contrasting 1999 dot-com capital outlays of twenty million dollars with post-2005 lean cloud startups operating on credit cards. Vijay agrees that software-driven bio companies follow Moore's Law rather than the escalating costs of Eroom's Law.31:53–34:32 · Guest teaching 2/10 Vijay Pandey's Academic and Entrepreneurial Journey Vijay shares his personal trajectory from joining Naughty Dog at age fifteen to holding multiple chairs across chemistry and biophysics at Stanford. Marc simply prompts and listens to Vijay's narrative.34:32–41:52 · Guest teaching 5/10 Major Projects: Folding@home and Globivir Vijay details Folding@home's 40-petaflop crowdsourced network for protein folding and Globivir's computational drug repurposing for tropical diseases. Marc and Chris ask supportive questions to clarify the mechanics of drug safety testing and distributed compute power.1:18–5:34 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Convergence of IT and Life Sciences Marc and Chris frame the discussion using historical technology parallels such as 1980s fabless semiconductor manufacturing and AWS infrastructure. Vijay elaborates on how modern biology startups are blending software speed with low initial capital requirements.5:34–12:58 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Digital Therapeutics and Behavioral Healthcare Marc pushes Vijay on whether mobile apps can genuinely solve medical conditions like diabetes with actual clinical proof, while citing that 75% of long-term healthcare spending relates to behavioral issues. Vijay explains how digital therapeutics enforce compliance better than traditional pharmaceuticals.12:58–18:17 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Cloud Biology and Scientific Reproducibility Marc asks whether high irreproducibility rates in scientific research amount to outright fraud, prompting Vijay to clarify the physical and human labor stresses involved in manual lab work. Vijay further educates the hosts on how cloud biology like Emerald Therapeutics automates experiments to guarantee programmatic reproducibility.18:17–26:26 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Computational Medicine, Data Flood, and Precision Genomics Chris voices skepticism about unfulfilled 1980s promises regarding computers in biology, and Marc questions why cheap genomic sequencing will deliver results when the original human genome project failed to produce immediate cures. Vijay reframes genomics as a software matching challenge tailored to tumor heterogeneity.26:26–31:53 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Startup Economics: Moore's Law vs. Eroom's Law Marc demonstrates deep venture capital expertise by contrasting 1999 dot-com capital outlays of twenty million dollars with post-2005 lean cloud startups operating on credit cards. Vijay agrees that software-driven bio companies follow Moore's Law rather than the escalating costs of Eroom's Law.31:53–34:32 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Vijay Pandey's Academic and Entrepreneurial Journey Vijay shares his personal trajectory from joining Naughty Dog at age fifteen to holding multiple chairs across chemistry and biophysics at Stanford. Marc simply prompts and listens to Vijay's narrative.34:32–41:52 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Major Projects: Folding@home and Globivir Vijay details Folding@home's 40-petaflop crowdsourced network for protein folding and Globivir's computational drug repurposing for tropical diseases. Marc and Chris ask supportive questions to clarify the mechanics of drug safety testing and distributed compute power.1:18–5:34 · The host pushing back 1/10 Convergence of IT and Life Sciences Marc and Chris frame the discussion using historical technology parallels such as 1980s fabless semiconductor manufacturing and AWS infrastructure. Vijay elaborates on how modern biology startups are blending software speed with low initial capital requirements.5:34–12:58 · The host pushing back 3/10 Digital Therapeutics and Behavioral Healthcare Marc pushes Vijay on whether mobile apps can genuinely solve medical conditions like diabetes with actual clinical proof, while citing that 75% of long-term healthcare spending relates to behavioral issues. Vijay explains how digital therapeutics enforce compliance better than traditional pharmaceuticals.12:58–18:17 · The host pushing back 4/10 Cloud Biology and Scientific Reproducibility Marc asks whether high irreproducibility rates in scientific research amount to outright fraud, prompting Vijay to clarify the physical and human labor stresses involved in manual lab work. Vijay further educates the hosts on how cloud biology like Emerald Therapeutics automates experiments to guarantee programmatic reproducibility.18:17–26:26 · The host pushing back 5/10 Computational Medicine, Data Flood, and Precision Genomics Chris voices skepticism about unfulfilled 1980s promises regarding computers in biology, and Marc questions why cheap genomic sequencing will deliver results when the original human genome project failed to produce immediate cures. Vijay reframes genomics as a software matching challenge tailored to tumor heterogeneity.26:26–31:53 · The host pushing back 2/10 Startup Economics: Moore's Law vs. Eroom's Law Marc demonstrates deep venture capital expertise by contrasting 1999 dot-com capital outlays of twenty million dollars with post-2005 lean cloud startups operating on credit cards. Vijay agrees that software-driven bio companies follow Moore's Law rather than the escalating costs of Eroom's Law.31:53–34:32 · The host pushing back 0/10 Vijay Pandey's Academic and Entrepreneurial Journey Vijay shares his personal trajectory from joining Naughty Dog at age fifteen to holding multiple chairs across chemistry and biophysics at Stanford. Marc simply prompts and listens to Vijay's narrative.34:32–41:52 · The host pushing back 0/10 Major Projects: Folding@home and Globivir Vijay details Folding@home's 40-petaflop crowdsourced network for protein folding and Globivir's computational drug repurposing for tropical diseases. Marc and Chris ask supportive questions to clarify the mechanics of drug safety testing and distributed compute power.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 19:36 Chris voices skepticism regarding past tech promises in biology

Chris explicitly rejects optimistic tech claims in bio, pointing out that similar claims made in the 1980s failed to transform the industry beyond basic administrative tools.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 22:45 Marc challenges the practical payoff of cheap genomic sequencing

Marc directly challenges Vijay's core premise on genomics, questioning why sequencing millions of genomes cheaply will yield cures when the original $1B human genome project failed to deliver them.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:24 Vijay explains scientific irreproducibility rates of up to 50%

Vijay educates the hosts on the alarming scale of the scientific reproducibility crisis, explaining that up to half of high-profile biology experiments fail replication due to manual human error.

The host holds their own ▶ 29:34 Marc delivers historical analysis of internet startup financing costs

Marc demonstrates high domain expertise by detailing how startup capital needs evolved from $20M dot-com outlays in 1999 to lean $500K cloud-hosted seed rounds by 2005.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Convergence of IT and Life Sciences 6311 Marc and Chris frame the discussion using historical technology parallels such as 1980s fabless semiconductor manufacturing and AWS infrastructure. Vijay elaborates on how modern biology startups are blending software speed with low initial capital requirements.
Digital Therapeutics and Behavioral Healthcare 5513 Marc pushes Vijay on whether mobile apps can genuinely solve medical conditions like diabetes with actual clinical proof, while citing that 75% of long-term healthcare spending relates to behavioral issues. Vijay explains how digital therapeutics enforce compliance better than traditional pharmaceuticals.
Cloud Biology and Scientific Reproducibility 5614 Marc asks whether high irreproducibility rates in scientific research amount to outright fraud, prompting Vijay to clarify the physical and human labor stresses involved in manual lab work. Vijay further educates the hosts on how cloud biology like Emerald Therapeutics automates experiments to guarantee programmatic reproducibility.
Computational Medicine, Data Flood, and Precision Genomics 6625 Chris voices skepticism about unfulfilled 1980s promises regarding computers in biology, and Marc questions why cheap genomic sequencing will deliver results when the original human genome project failed to produce immediate cures. Vijay reframes genomics as a software matching challenge tailored to tumor heterogeneity.
Startup Economics: Moore's Law vs. Eroom's Law 7412 Marc demonstrates deep venture capital expertise by contrasting 1999 dot-com capital outlays of twenty million dollars with post-2005 lean cloud startups operating on credit cards. Vijay agrees that software-driven bio companies follow Moore's Law rather than the escalating costs of Eroom's Law.
Vijay Pandey's Academic and Entrepreneurial Journey 1200 Vijay shares his personal trajectory from joining Naughty Dog at age fifteen to holding multiple chairs across chemistry and biophysics at Stanford. Marc simply prompts and listens to Vijay's narrative.
Major Projects: Folding@home and Globivir 3500 Vijay details Folding@home's 40-petaflop crowdsourced network for protein folding and Globivir's computational drug repurposing for tropical diseases. Marc and Chris ask supportive questions to clarify the mechanics of drug safety testing and distributed compute power.

Statements from this episode (11)

Assertion Supported
Over 75% of Stanford students take computer science classes, says Vijay Pandey
“You think about actually students at Stanford, some huge fraction of them, I think, like, 75% or more take some sort of computer science class, some programming computer science class”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 2:15
Assertion Contradicted
Digital therapeutics can outperform traditional drugs for diabetes treatment, says Vijay Pandey
“And I believe actually Modis had done this, and in this case, one can show actually that, that digital therapeutic is not just comparable to the drug, but in, and generally can exceed the capabilities of the drug.”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 9:34
Assertion Supported
Behavioral issues drive 75% of long-term US healthcare spending, says Marc Andreessen
“And I've seen estimates that, you know, as much as something like 75% of long-term health spending in the U.S. Is going to be correlated to issues that are Caused at least in part by behavior.”
Marc Andreessen Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 11:34
Assertion Supported
A large fraction of published biological experiments are irreproducible, says Vijay Pandey
“It comes up all the time that a large fraction of biology experiments are just irreproducible.”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 14:29
Prediction Open · timeframe Jul 2020
Human genome sequencing costs will soon drop to $40, predicts Vijay Pandey
“It's now like a thousand dollars now, 40 dollars soon.”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 22:41
Prediction Not checkable as stated
The cure for cancer will never be a single drug, predicts Pandey
“And it's never going to be that the cure to cancer looks like a single drug.”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 24:12
Insight
Computational biology startups follow Moore's Law instead of Eroom's Law, says Pandey
“That traditional biotech is governed by Oom's law, and these are governed much more by Moore's law.”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 29:24
Assertion Supported
Andreessen: Facebook launched on $500,000 in initial funding
“Facebook got started on 500,000 dollars.”
Marc Andreessen Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 30:01
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Bio startups can reach clinical trials on $500,000 seed capital, says Pandey
“Basically half a million to a million dollars is all they really need to get the job done. And that could get you something through preclinical, which is what mouse studies are, such that you could have something go into phase one or phase two with that initia…”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 30:56
Assertion Partly supported
Pandey: Folding@home commands 40 petaflops across 400,000 computers
“So we have about 40 petaflops, and As a mixture of 400,000 computers and a whole bunch of GPUs.”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 36:26
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Globivir computationally identifies repurposed drug candidates in just nine months, says Pandey
“Instead of taking 15 years and, you know, a hundred million dollars to do the first part, we could, in the case of our drugs for a lot of these areas, we could do it in nine months.”
Vijay Pande Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 40:21
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