Jan 2, 2019 · 20m · a16z

a16z Podcast | Getting That First Board Seat

Stacy Brown-Philpott · 14m spoken Matt Levy · 3m spoken Sonal Chokshi · 34s spoken
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Stacy Brown-Philpott, COO of TaskRabbit, joins Andreessen Horowitz's Matt Levy on the a16z Podcast to discuss her appointment to the board of directors at HP Inc. She shares practical strategies for securing a first public board seat, navigating board interview dynamics, and balancing corporate governance duties with startup executive leadership.

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The host as informed peer 3.7 Guest teaching 3.4 Guest disagreement 0.3 The host pushing back 1.4
05100:0010:0020:001:03–3:34 · The host as informed peer 2/10 Landing the HP Inc. Board Seat Matt opens with supportive questions regarding Stacy landing her first board position at HP. Stacy shares her search criteria and motivations, while Matt adds validating comments about operator-to-CEO pathways.3:34–5:45 · The host as informed peer 6/10 Public vs. Private Board Governance Dynamics Matt demonstrates substantial sector knowledge by providing an extended framework comparing public board oversight to private board momentum-building using a judo analogy. Stacy explains her learnings regarding board fiduciary liabilities.5:45–8:22 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Board Interview Mindset and Relationship Building Stacy educates listeners on the mindsets required for board interviews, contrasting them with standard job interviews. She notes how she defied recruiter warnings against talking strategy, finding that candor resonated well with directors.8:22–11:02 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Operational Leadership and the Role of a COO Matt actively pushes Stacy to define 'operations' beyond broad buzzwords. Stacy responds with a clear three-bucket operational framework covering team execution, process clearing, and strategic thought partnership.11:02–13:48 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Transitioning from Big Tech to Startup Environments Matt challenges Stacy to explain how Google's vast scale compares to a startup's operational realities. Stacy details what scale principles she brought along and what corporate dependencies she had to relinquish.13:48–16:04 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Evolving Board Demands and Time Management Stacy outlines evolving board trends toward recruiting active seated executives rather than retired CEOs. Matt contributes insight on how shifting employee demographics force public boards to rethink leadership styles.16:04–19:48 · The host as informed peer 3/10 Strategic Networking and Working with Board Recruiters Stacy details practical networking tactics and explains how board recruiters assess character and personal values over technical resume items. Matt guides the narrative with targeted tactical prompts.1:03–3:34 · Guest teaching 1/10 Landing the HP Inc. Board Seat Matt opens with supportive questions regarding Stacy landing her first board position at HP. Stacy shares her search criteria and motivations, while Matt adds validating comments about operator-to-CEO pathways.3:34–5:45 · Guest teaching 3/10 Public vs. Private Board Governance Dynamics Matt demonstrates substantial sector knowledge by providing an extended framework comparing public board oversight to private board momentum-building using a judo analogy. Stacy explains her learnings regarding board fiduciary liabilities.5:45–8:22 · Guest teaching 5/10 Board Interview Mindset and Relationship Building Stacy educates listeners on the mindsets required for board interviews, contrasting them with standard job interviews. She notes how she defied recruiter warnings against talking strategy, finding that candor resonated well with directors.8:22–11:02 · Guest teaching 4/10 Operational Leadership and the Role of a COO Matt actively pushes Stacy to define 'operations' beyond broad buzzwords. Stacy responds with a clear three-bucket operational framework covering team execution, process clearing, and strategic thought partnership.11:02–13:48 · Guest teaching 3/10 Transitioning from Big Tech to Startup Environments Matt challenges Stacy to explain how Google's vast scale compares to a startup's operational realities. Stacy details what scale principles she brought along and what corporate dependencies she had to relinquish.13:48–16:04 · Guest teaching 4/10 Evolving Board Demands and Time Management Stacy outlines evolving board trends toward recruiting active seated executives rather than retired CEOs. Matt contributes insight on how shifting employee demographics force public boards to rethink leadership styles.16:04–19:48 · Guest teaching 4/10 Strategic Networking and Working with Board Recruiters Stacy details practical networking tactics and explains how board recruiters assess character and personal values over technical resume items. Matt guides the narrative with targeted tactical prompts.1:03–3:34 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Landing the HP Inc. Board Seat Matt opens with supportive questions regarding Stacy landing her first board position at HP. Stacy shares her search criteria and motivations, while Matt adds validating comments about operator-to-CEO pathways.3:34–5:45 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Public vs. Private Board Governance Dynamics Matt demonstrates substantial sector knowledge by providing an extended framework comparing public board oversight to private board momentum-building using a judo analogy. Stacy explains her learnings regarding board fiduciary liabilities.5:45–8:22 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Board Interview Mindset and Relationship Building Stacy educates listeners on the mindsets required for board interviews, contrasting them with standard job interviews. She notes how she defied recruiter warnings against talking strategy, finding that candor resonated well with directors.8:22–11:02 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Operational Leadership and the Role of a COO Matt actively pushes Stacy to define 'operations' beyond broad buzzwords. Stacy responds with a clear three-bucket operational framework covering team execution, process clearing, and strategic thought partnership.11:02–13:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Transitioning from Big Tech to Startup Environments Matt challenges Stacy to explain how Google's vast scale compares to a startup's operational realities. Stacy details what scale principles she brought along and what corporate dependencies she had to relinquish.13:48–16:04 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Evolving Board Demands and Time Management Stacy outlines evolving board trends toward recruiting active seated executives rather than retired CEOs. Matt contributes insight on how shifting employee demographics force public boards to rethink leadership styles.16:04–19:48 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Strategic Networking and Working with Board Recruiters Stacy details practical networking tactics and explains how board recruiters assess character and personal values over technical resume items. Matt guides the narrative with targeted tactical prompts.1:03–3:34 · The host pushing back 0/10 Landing the HP Inc. Board Seat Matt opens with supportive questions regarding Stacy landing her first board position at HP. Stacy shares her search criteria and motivations, while Matt adds validating comments about operator-to-CEO pathways.3:34–5:45 · The host pushing back 1/10 Public vs. Private Board Governance Dynamics Matt demonstrates substantial sector knowledge by providing an extended framework comparing public board oversight to private board momentum-building using a judo analogy. Stacy explains her learnings regarding board fiduciary liabilities.5:45–8:22 · The host pushing back 0/10 Board Interview Mindset and Relationship Building Stacy educates listeners on the mindsets required for board interviews, contrasting them with standard job interviews. She notes how she defied recruiter warnings against talking strategy, finding that candor resonated well with directors.8:22–11:02 · The host pushing back 4/10 Operational Leadership and the Role of a COO Matt actively pushes Stacy to define 'operations' beyond broad buzzwords. Stacy responds with a clear three-bucket operational framework covering team execution, process clearing, and strategic thought partnership.11:02–13:48 · The host pushing back 3/10 Transitioning from Big Tech to Startup Environments Matt challenges Stacy to explain how Google's vast scale compares to a startup's operational realities. Stacy details what scale principles she brought along and what corporate dependencies she had to relinquish.13:48–16:04 · The host pushing back 1/10 Evolving Board Demands and Time Management Stacy outlines evolving board trends toward recruiting active seated executives rather than retired CEOs. Matt contributes insight on how shifting employee demographics force public boards to rethink leadership styles.16:04–19:48 · The host pushing back 1/10 Strategic Networking and Working with Board Recruiters Stacy details practical networking tactics and explains how board recruiters assess character and personal values over technical resume items. Matt guides the narrative with targeted tactical prompts.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 6:40 Ignoring Recruiter Guidance

Stacy describes explicitly rejecting standard recruiter instructions not to speak on strategy during board interviews, choosing to present her strategic views directly instead.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 9:25 Demanding Operational Clarity

Matt presses Stacy past generic descriptions by asking 'what is operations for you?', pointing out that the title means vastly different things to different people.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 6:08 Reframing the Board Interview

Stacy clearly reframes board interviews, explaining that candidates are not there to prove operational fitness but to evaluate long-term governance alignment and peer relationships.

The host holds their own ▶ 4:55 Public vs. Private Board Judo Metaphor

Matt articulates an expert distinction between private and public boards, comparing public oversight to judo where directors leverage existing momentum rather than creating early leverage.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Landing the HP Inc. Board Seat 2100 Matt opens with supportive questions regarding Stacy landing her first board position at HP. Stacy shares her search criteria and motivations, while Matt adds validating comments about operator-to-CEO pathways.
Public vs. Private Board Governance Dynamics 6301 Matt demonstrates substantial sector knowledge by providing an extended framework comparing public board oversight to private board momentum-building using a judo analogy. Stacy explains her learnings regarding board fiduciary liabilities.
Board Interview Mindset and Relationship Building 3510 Stacy educates listeners on the mindsets required for board interviews, contrasting them with standard job interviews. She notes how she defied recruiter warnings against talking strategy, finding that candor resonated well with directors.
Operational Leadership and the Role of a COO 4414 Matt actively pushes Stacy to define 'operations' beyond broad buzzwords. Stacy responds with a clear three-bucket operational framework covering team execution, process clearing, and strategic thought partnership.
Transitioning from Big Tech to Startup Environments 4303 Matt challenges Stacy to explain how Google's vast scale compares to a startup's operational realities. Stacy details what scale principles she brought along and what corporate dependencies she had to relinquish.
Evolving Board Demands and Time Management 4401 Stacy outlines evolving board trends toward recruiting active seated executives rather than retired CEOs. Matt contributes insight on how shifting employee demographics force public boards to rethink leadership styles.
Strategic Networking and Working with Board Recruiters 3401 Stacy details practical networking tactics and explains how board recruiters assess character and personal values over technical resume items. Matt guides the narrative with targeted tactical prompts.

Statements from this episode (7)

Disclosure
Brown-Philpott required target board CEOs to have deep internal company roots
“One of my criteria was not to have somebody that was a first time CEO, but if they were a first time CEO, I wanted the person to have worked at that company for a while to have relationships.”
Stacy Brown-Philpott Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 2:19
Insight
Matt Levy: Startups build boards with skill sets two to three stages ahead
“When a private company is looking at building a board, they are looking to you know, to bring in that skill set and bring it in at a level that's, you know, two or three times beyond where that company is now.”
Matt Levy Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 5:26
Insight
Brown-Philpott: Board interviews assume operational competence rather than testing it
“It's not a job interview. So you're not going into these meetings trying to convince people that you're a good operator. The reason that you're at the meeting is because you're a good operator, and they've already decided that is true.”
Stacy Brown-Philpott Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 6:18
Insight
Brown-Philpott: Board recruitment relies on specific checklist fit over personal merit
“The board has a checklist, and that list is like, this is what we're looking for. This is what we have on the board. This is the makeup of the board today, and here are the things we're going to look for in this seat. And in general, either you fit it or you d…”
Stacy Brown-Philpott Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 7:48
Insight
Brown-Philpott: A COO must maintain steady leadership through startup volatility
“And as the COO, my job is to sort of be steady. Like, I can't do the thrills, because the team needs me to present, you know, a face of, even if the high is high, right, there's going to be some lows, and we can get through it. And even when the lows are low, …”
Stacy Brown-Philpott Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 13:12
Insight
Brown-Philpott: Corporate boards are prioritizing sitting executives over retired CEOs
“And I see a trend towards, actually, no, we want some people on the board who are seated executives right now, and we know they won't have as much time as someone who is retired, but they're going to bring real-time information, real-time perspective.”
Stacy Brown-Philpott Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 14:16
Disclosure
Brown-Philpott: HP Board Seat Came From an Unsolicited Conference Referral
“It turns out that this, the HP board came through initially a referral. I was at a conference a year ago, and I was networking with somebody, not about being on a board, but mentioned to this person that I was interested in public company boards and never knew…”
Stacy Brown-Philpott Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 17:26
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