Jan 2, 2019 · 16m · a16z
a16z Podcast | Lobbying Tech
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In this a16z podcast episode, Washington insiders Heather Podesta and Michael Beckerman examine the realities of modern technology lobbying, dispelling outdated stereotypes and explaining how tech companies must engage with policymakers. They emphasize that proactive education, localized fact-based advocacy, and early strategic engagement are essential for tech startups to navigate regulatory scrutiny and compete against entrenched interests.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. How this is scored →
The host as informed peer 3.4 Guest teaching 3.6 Guest disagreement 1.2 The host pushing back 2.4
speaking balance: gold is the host, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 12:02 Refusing startup exceptionalism
Heather bluntly rejects the tech startup mindset of 'move fast and break things', forcefully telling startups that Congress will not change its slow pace for them.
Hardest push from the host ▶ 7:32 Questioning the 'facts' baselineHannah directly challenges Heather's premise that lobbyists succeed by having 'facts on your side', pointing out that every side believes they possess the facts.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 3:18 Redefining who lobbiesHeather expands the definition of lobbying beyond corporate interests to include churches and local water departments, forcing Hannah to admit she was unaware of how widespread it is.
The host holds their own ▶ 11:37 Pace mismatch insightHannah demonstrates her own expertise in tech dynamics by identifying the core operational conflict between rapid tech iteration cycles and slow federal policymaking.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | The host as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | The host pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Reality of Modern Lobbying and Transparency | 1 | 4 | 1 | 1 | The guests dismantle the traditional stereotype of lobbyists as cigar-smoking backroom dealmakers, explaining that modern transparency requires facts and constituent backing. Hannah listens and prompts with basic questions, expressing surprise that even churches hire lobbyists. | |
| Educating Policymakers and Tech Lobbying Dynamics | 3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Michael and Heather discuss proactive education of policymakers and the unique novelty advantage tech companies hold. Hannah demonstrates understanding by synthesizing the concept into an 'attention advantage' and asking how lobbying differs from other influence channels. | |
| Fact-Based Advocacy and Overcoming Incumbents | 4 | 3 | 2 | 6 | Hannah challenges Heather's assertion about facts, noting that every advocate believes facts are on their side. Heather responds by clarifying that effective lobbying requires presenting localized, concrete data like district job figures. | |
| Regulatory Suspicion and Disruptive Technologies | 5 | 4 | 1 | 2 | The discussion covers government skepticism toward novel technologies and the tension between fast-moving startups and slow congressional processes. Hannah shows strong industry knowledge by pointing out regulatory ripple effects and the fundamental speed mismatch between tech and DC. | |
| Local Politics and Addressing the Lobbying Stigma | 4 | 4 | 1 | 2 | The guests discuss local lobbying and the stigma attached to the profession, with Heather sharing her Obama-era 'scarlet letter L' story. Hannah framing the historical shift in Silicon Valley from ignoring government to active engagement demonstrates her grasp of tech political history. |
Statements from this episode (15)
Podesta: The term lobbyist stems from D.C.'s Willard Hotel lobby
“So the term lobbyist is Over a hundred years old, and it stems from the lobby of the Willard here in Washington, D.C., and it was when legislators were here part-time, the lobbyists would sit in the lobby and catch members on the fly as they were going to thei…”
Podesta: Knowing key politicians is no longer enough to pass legislation
“It's no longer enough to know the chairman of the Appropriations Committee to get something done. And you actually have to have the facts on your side.”
Podesta: Every economic sector and churches maintain lobbyists in Washington
“Every aspect of all of our lives has someone in Washington advocating on behalf of their part of the economy. Even churches have lobbyists.”
Beckerman: Tech companies must engage politicians before a crisis hits
“It's not great if the first time you're engaging with your elected officials is when you have a problem. And so some of the lobbying or advocating is just setting a landscape.”
Podesta: Members of Congress eagerly seek association with new tech
“Especially with new technologies, members of Congress are really keen to be part of the next cool hip thing. So if you are that shiny silver object and they want to be associated with you with it, they're keen to learn more.”
Podesta: Washington D.C. is a fact-free zone for tech startups
“I like to say that DC is a fact for Free zone. And relying on a congressional office or an agency to figure out how your business works by, you know, jumping onto the internet and, you know, doing a news search isn't enough.”
Podesta: Effective tech lobbying requires local job data, not future promises
“Part of it is Explaining issues to people in terms of not what you're promising, but what you're actually delivering, but coming in with concrete data in terms of there are 206 people employed in your district. And they're very concerned about your position on…”
Podesta: Washington will inevitably regulate any tech product impacting minors
“People can be suspicious, and generally do not like surprises, especially anytime you are touching people, 18 and younger, that government is going to sort of step in and make sure that we are protecting young adults, protecting children, and the like. And so …”
Beckerman: Lawmakers' default setting is always to legislate and regulate tech
“You have legislators, and you have regulators, and they're called that because they like to legislate and regulate. That's like the default, that's the default setting. And so, you know, whatever you're doing, that's what they're going to look to do. Legislate…”
Podesta: Washington only legislates quickly during a crisis
“The good thing and the bad thing is that Washington doesn't move quickly. It only moves quickly in a time of crisis, and that you can sort of count on, and so there are multiple opportunities to provide input into regulations, into legislation, and part of our…”
Podesta: Startups cannot ignore Washington regulatory policy for long
“For some companies, it's simply, you know what? I'm gonna do my thing, and I don't need Washington. That doesn't last very long.”
Podesta: Investors favor heavily regulated startups that hire Washington lobbyists early
“If you are a startup in a heavily regulated space, if you are a startup In healthcare, if you have a Washington lobbyist and know exactly what's happening in the agencies as well as what's happening on the Hill, that shows a certain sophistication and a certai…”
Beckerman: Tech companies must frame their own narrative before opponents do
“If you're not telling your own story, someone else is telling your story. I mean, the same, same thing. If you're not sitting at the table, someone else is going to be eating you for lunch.”
Beckerman: Hollywood studios were the entrenched DC interest during SOPA/PIPA debates
“When I actually was on Capital Hose during the SOPA PIPA debates of, on piracy, the entrenched interest in DC at the time where the content industry, the Hollywood studios, which have been at this game for a very, very long time.”