Jan 2, 2019 · 20m · a16z

a16z Podcast | The Basics of Growth 1 -- User Acquisition

Jeff Jordan · 8m spoken Andrew Chen · 6m spoken Sonal Chokshi · 3m spoken
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In this episode of the a16z podcast, host Sonal Chokshi and general partners Andrew Chen and Jeff Jordan analyze foundational user acquisition strategies for tech startups. The panel debunks common growth myths, deconstructs core metrics like LTV and CAC, and evaluates the balance between paid advertising, organic network effects, and emerging distribution channels.

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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. The host holds 19% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

The host as informed peer 4.6 Guest teaching 3.8 Guest disagreement 1.0 The host pushing back 1.8
05100:0010:0020:000:52–4:21 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Growth Misconceptions and Strategic Growth Layers Sonal sets the stage effectively by citing Jeff Jordan's past writings on growth gravity and synthesizing the difference between superficial growth hacking and systemic rigor. The guests collaboratively elaborate on growth decay and strategic growth layering without friction.4:21–10:42 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Deconstructing Metrics: CAC, Blended CAC, and LTV Sonal guides the discussion through essential metrics, prompting the guests to clarify terms like CAC, LTV, and GMV for the audience. Jeff and Andrew educate on why blended CAC is a dangerous metric and explain how unit economics naturally degrade with scale.10:42–13:49 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Organic Acquisition Mechanisms and Network Effects Sonal demonstrates strong conceptual understanding by asking the guests to distinguish between organic acquisition growth hacks and true network effects. The guests build on her framing with real-world examples from OpenTable, Uber, and Lime.13:49–18:00 · The host as informed peer 5/10 Evaluating Paid Marketing Risks and Channel Degradation Sonal pushes back on the implicit anti-paid marketing sentiment by asking for clear rules of thumb and labeling the guest's Facebook ad example as platform risk. Jeff and Andrew outline channel degradation risks and portfolio strategies for paid acquisition.18:00–20:31 · The host as informed peer 4/10 Emerging Acquisition Trends and Episode Conclusion Sonal actively questions Andrew's assertion about temporal acquisition opportunities and contributes a relevant example of physical restaurants redesigning plates for Instagram. The episode wraps up in a highly collaborative manner.0:52–4:21 · Guest teaching 3/10 Growth Misconceptions and Strategic Growth Layers Sonal sets the stage effectively by citing Jeff Jordan's past writings on growth gravity and synthesizing the difference between superficial growth hacking and systemic rigor. The guests collaboratively elaborate on growth decay and strategic growth layering without friction.4:21–10:42 · Guest teaching 5/10 Deconstructing Metrics: CAC, Blended CAC, and LTV Sonal guides the discussion through essential metrics, prompting the guests to clarify terms like CAC, LTV, and GMV for the audience. Jeff and Andrew educate on why blended CAC is a dangerous metric and explain how unit economics naturally degrade with scale.10:42–13:49 · Guest teaching 4/10 Organic Acquisition Mechanisms and Network Effects Sonal demonstrates strong conceptual understanding by asking the guests to distinguish between organic acquisition growth hacks and true network effects. The guests build on her framing with real-world examples from OpenTable, Uber, and Lime.13:49–18:00 · Guest teaching 4/10 Evaluating Paid Marketing Risks and Channel Degradation Sonal pushes back on the implicit anti-paid marketing sentiment by asking for clear rules of thumb and labeling the guest's Facebook ad example as platform risk. Jeff and Andrew outline channel degradation risks and portfolio strategies for paid acquisition.18:00–20:31 · Guest teaching 3/10 Emerging Acquisition Trends and Episode Conclusion Sonal actively questions Andrew's assertion about temporal acquisition opportunities and contributes a relevant example of physical restaurants redesigning plates for Instagram. The episode wraps up in a highly collaborative manner.0:52–4:21 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Growth Misconceptions and Strategic Growth Layers Sonal sets the stage effectively by citing Jeff Jordan's past writings on growth gravity and synthesizing the difference between superficial growth hacking and systemic rigor. The guests collaboratively elaborate on growth decay and strategic growth layering without friction.4:21–10:42 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Deconstructing Metrics: CAC, Blended CAC, and LTV Sonal guides the discussion through essential metrics, prompting the guests to clarify terms like CAC, LTV, and GMV for the audience. Jeff and Andrew educate on why blended CAC is a dangerous metric and explain how unit economics naturally degrade with scale.10:42–13:49 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Organic Acquisition Mechanisms and Network Effects Sonal demonstrates strong conceptual understanding by asking the guests to distinguish between organic acquisition growth hacks and true network effects. The guests build on her framing with real-world examples from OpenTable, Uber, and Lime.13:49–18:00 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Evaluating Paid Marketing Risks and Channel Degradation Sonal pushes back on the implicit anti-paid marketing sentiment by asking for clear rules of thumb and labeling the guest's Facebook ad example as platform risk. Jeff and Andrew outline channel degradation risks and portfolio strategies for paid acquisition.18:00–20:31 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Emerging Acquisition Trends and Episode Conclusion Sonal actively questions Andrew's assertion about temporal acquisition opportunities and contributes a relevant example of physical restaurants redesigning plates for Instagram. The episode wraps up in a highly collaborative manner.0:52–4:21 · The host pushing back 1/10 Growth Misconceptions and Strategic Growth Layers Sonal sets the stage effectively by citing Jeff Jordan's past writings on growth gravity and synthesizing the difference between superficial growth hacking and systemic rigor. The guests collaboratively elaborate on growth decay and strategic growth layering without friction.4:21–10:42 · The host pushing back 2/10 Deconstructing Metrics: CAC, Blended CAC, and LTV Sonal guides the discussion through essential metrics, prompting the guests to clarify terms like CAC, LTV, and GMV for the audience. Jeff and Andrew educate on why blended CAC is a dangerous metric and explain how unit economics naturally degrade with scale.10:42–13:49 · The host pushing back 2/10 Organic Acquisition Mechanisms and Network Effects Sonal demonstrates strong conceptual understanding by asking the guests to distinguish between organic acquisition growth hacks and true network effects. The guests build on her framing with real-world examples from OpenTable, Uber, and Lime.13:49–18:00 · The host pushing back 2/10 Evaluating Paid Marketing Risks and Channel Degradation Sonal pushes back on the implicit anti-paid marketing sentiment by asking for clear rules of thumb and labeling the guest's Facebook ad example as platform risk. Jeff and Andrew outline channel degradation risks and portfolio strategies for paid acquisition.18:00–20:31 · The host pushing back 2/10 Emerging Acquisition Trends and Episode Conclusion Sonal actively questions Andrew's assertion about temporal acquisition opportunities and contributes a relevant example of physical restaurants redesigning plates for Instagram. The episode wraps up in a highly collaborative manner.

speaking balance: gold is the host, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · the host 39.3% · guest 60.7%0:00 · the host 39.3% · guest 60.7%3:00 · the host 28% · guest 72%3:00 · the host 28% · guest 72%6:00 · the host 8.9% · guest 91.1%6:00 · the host 8.9% · guest 91.1%9:00 · the host 17.8% · guest 82.2%9:00 · the host 17.8% · guest 82.2%12:00 · the host 10.9% · guest 89.1%12:00 · the host 10.9% · guest 89.1%15:00 · the host 17.4% · guest 82.6%15:00 · the host 17.4% · guest 82.6%18:00 · the host 9.4% · guest 90.6%18:00 · the host 9.4% · guest 90.6%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 6:12 Jeff strongly warns against using blended CAC

Jeff forcefully reframes standard founder practice by labeling blended CAC as a really dangerous number that hides poor paid acquisition economics.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 13:47 Sonal pushes back on anti-paid marketing bias

Sonal explicitly challenges the guests' apparent dismissal of paid channels, asking them to unpack whether paid marketing is inherently bad.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:33 Jeff corrects common misunderstandings of LTV calculation

Jeff clarifies that LTV must be calculated strictly from post-cost profit contribution rather than top-line revenue per user.

The host holds their own ▶ 11:17 Sonal distinguishes organic acquisition from network effects

Sonal demonstrates domain insight by interrupting to clarify that OpenTable's growth mechanism relies on two-sided network effects rather than simple viral acquisition.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Growth Misconceptions and Strategic Growth Layers 5311 Sonal sets the stage effectively by citing Jeff Jordan's past writings on growth gravity and synthesizing the difference between superficial growth hacking and systemic rigor. The guests collaboratively elaborate on growth decay and strategic growth layering without friction.
Deconstructing Metrics: CAC, Blended CAC, and LTV 4512 Sonal guides the discussion through essential metrics, prompting the guests to clarify terms like CAC, LTV, and GMV for the audience. Jeff and Andrew educate on why blended CAC is a dangerous metric and explain how unit economics naturally degrade with scale.
Organic Acquisition Mechanisms and Network Effects 5412 Sonal demonstrates strong conceptual understanding by asking the guests to distinguish between organic acquisition growth hacks and true network effects. The guests build on her framing with real-world examples from OpenTable, Uber, and Lime.
Evaluating Paid Marketing Risks and Channel Degradation 5412 Sonal pushes back on the implicit anti-paid marketing sentiment by asking for clear rules of thumb and labeling the guest's Facebook ad example as platform risk. Jeff and Andrew outline channel degradation risks and portfolio strategies for paid acquisition.
Emerging Acquisition Trends and Episode Conclusion 4312 Sonal actively questions Andrew's assertion about temporal acquisition opportunities and contributes a relevant example of physical restaurants redesigning plates for Instagram. The episode wraps up in a highly collaborative manner.

Statements from this episode (11)

Assertion Supported
Jordan: eBay accelerated growth at scale by layering fixed prices and payments
“At eBay, the original business was an auction business in the U.S. And so, you know, some of the things we layered on earlier, we layered on fixed price in the U S not revolutionary, but it really did increment growth. Then we went international and then we la…”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 2:40
Insight
Chen: Exponential growth curves are usually combinations of multiple linear initiatives
“A lot of times when you're looking at what seemingly is an exponential growth curve, in fact, it's really something like, oh, you're opening in a bunch of new markets, right? So there's sort of a linear line there, but then you're also introducing products at …”
Andrew Chen Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 3:37
Opinion
Jeff Jordan: Blended CAC is a dangerous metric for startups
“I view blended CAC as a really dangerous number.”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 6:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jeff Jordan: Top internet companies didn't rely on paid acquisition
“Most of the best businesses in the internet age of technology haven't spent a ton on paid acquisition.”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 6:35
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jeff Jordan: Amazon's primary marketing channel is free shipping
“Amazon's key marketing right now is free shipping.”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 6:50
Insight
Jeff Jordan: LTV-to-CAC ratios almost always degrade as startups scale
“That LTV to CAC ratio in our experience almost always degrades as over time with scale.”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 9:00
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jordan: OpenTable spent zero dollars on consumer acquisition under his leadership
“OpenTable, when I was managing it, did not pay any money at all to acquire consumers.”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 10:47
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Jordan: Lime has spent zero dollars on paid consumer acquisition
“Lime hasn't spent a penny on consumer acquisition.”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 13:17
Disclosure
Jordan: Past investment mistakes stemmed from short-lived Facebook ad arbitrage
“When I made a couple investment mistakes where the paid acquisition looked really good, and actually what they were doing, or they're arbitraging something like Facebook's early mobile attempts, where the people who participate in Facebook mobile ads early Got…”
Jeff Jordan Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 16:58
Insight
Chen: Modern Games Must Include Built-In Twitch Sharing Features
“Like, there's no point these days in building a new game that doesn't have built-in recording and publishing to Twitch and built-in tournament systems and all the community features and all that stuff that you need.”
Andrew Chen Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 18:40
Opinion
Chen: Amazon Has No Incentive to Stop Echo Accidental Triggers
“They have no incentive to fix that. Because, like, it reminds you that it's there and reminds you to talk to it.”
Andrew Chen Jan 2, 2019 ▶ 19:31
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