Sep 25, 2023 · 23m · a16z

AI Copilots and the Future of Knowledge Work with Microsoft's Kevin Scott

Kevin Scott · 18m spoken Bob Swan · 2m spoken
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Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott discusses AI's evolution into a foundational computing platform, exploring how AI copilots augment cognitive productivity, preserve human flow state, and democratize economic opportunity across industries.

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The host as informed peer 1.0 Guest teaching 4.4 Guest disagreement 1.4 The host pushing back 0.0
05100:0010:0020:000:39–5:55 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Microsoft's Vision for AI as an Innovation Platform Bob Swan opens with broad questions about AI platforms and GPUs. Kevin Scott politely addresses the frequent GPU inquiries and explains Microsoft's strategic cloud partnership model with OpenAI and Meta.5:55–10:28 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Transforming Knowledge Work and Productivity Across Eras Bob Swan prompts Kevin for insights on how AI will transform knowledge work. Kevin compares current AI developments to the Industrial Revolution and notes that smartphones did not meaningfully improve knowledge productivity.10:28–15:26 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Engineering Productivity, Developer Metrics, and Flow State Bob asks how Microsoft tracks developer productivity. Kevin reframes the premise by asserting that productivity is not lines of code, but rather preserving developer flow state.15:26–19:51 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Driving AI Adoption, Rural Economic Opportunity, and Organizational Culture Bob asks about overcoming organizational fear and resistance to AI tools. Kevin responds by referencing his book on rural economic opportunity and explaining how critical mass drives adoption.19:51–23:12 · The host as informed peer 1/10 Open Frontier Questions in AI, Energy Efficiency, and Advice for Startups Bob asks about the remaining open questions in AI. Kevin explains the 20-watt efficiency of the human brain versus massive neural network infrastructure and cautions startups against building trivial applications.0:39–5:55 · Guest teaching 4/10 Microsoft's Vision for AI as an Innovation Platform Bob Swan opens with broad questions about AI platforms and GPUs. Kevin Scott politely addresses the frequent GPU inquiries and explains Microsoft's strategic cloud partnership model with OpenAI and Meta.5:55–10:28 · Guest teaching 4/10 Transforming Knowledge Work and Productivity Across Eras Bob Swan prompts Kevin for insights on how AI will transform knowledge work. Kevin compares current AI developments to the Industrial Revolution and notes that smartphones did not meaningfully improve knowledge productivity.10:28–15:26 · Guest teaching 5/10 Engineering Productivity, Developer Metrics, and Flow State Bob asks how Microsoft tracks developer productivity. Kevin reframes the premise by asserting that productivity is not lines of code, but rather preserving developer flow state.15:26–19:51 · Guest teaching 4/10 Driving AI Adoption, Rural Economic Opportunity, and Organizational Culture Bob asks about overcoming organizational fear and resistance to AI tools. Kevin responds by referencing his book on rural economic opportunity and explaining how critical mass drives adoption.19:51–23:12 · Guest teaching 5/10 Open Frontier Questions in AI, Energy Efficiency, and Advice for Startups Bob asks about the remaining open questions in AI. Kevin explains the 20-watt efficiency of the human brain versus massive neural network infrastructure and cautions startups against building trivial applications.0:39–5:55 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Microsoft's Vision for AI as an Innovation Platform Bob Swan opens with broad questions about AI platforms and GPUs. Kevin Scott politely addresses the frequent GPU inquiries and explains Microsoft's strategic cloud partnership model with OpenAI and Meta.5:55–10:28 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Transforming Knowledge Work and Productivity Across Eras Bob Swan prompts Kevin for insights on how AI will transform knowledge work. Kevin compares current AI developments to the Industrial Revolution and notes that smartphones did not meaningfully improve knowledge productivity.10:28–15:26 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Engineering Productivity, Developer Metrics, and Flow State Bob asks how Microsoft tracks developer productivity. Kevin reframes the premise by asserting that productivity is not lines of code, but rather preserving developer flow state.15:26–19:51 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Driving AI Adoption, Rural Economic Opportunity, and Organizational Culture Bob asks about overcoming organizational fear and resistance to AI tools. Kevin responds by referencing his book on rural economic opportunity and explaining how critical mass drives adoption.19:51–23:12 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Open Frontier Questions in AI, Energy Efficiency, and Advice for Startups Bob asks about the remaining open questions in AI. Kevin explains the 20-watt efficiency of the human brain versus massive neural network infrastructure and cautions startups against building trivial applications.0:39–5:55 · The host pushing back 0/10 Microsoft's Vision for AI as an Innovation Platform Bob Swan opens with broad questions about AI platforms and GPUs. Kevin Scott politely addresses the frequent GPU inquiries and explains Microsoft's strategic cloud partnership model with OpenAI and Meta.5:55–10:28 · The host pushing back 0/10 Transforming Knowledge Work and Productivity Across Eras Bob Swan prompts Kevin for insights on how AI will transform knowledge work. Kevin compares current AI developments to the Industrial Revolution and notes that smartphones did not meaningfully improve knowledge productivity.10:28–15:26 · The host pushing back 0/10 Engineering Productivity, Developer Metrics, and Flow State Bob asks how Microsoft tracks developer productivity. Kevin reframes the premise by asserting that productivity is not lines of code, but rather preserving developer flow state.15:26–19:51 · The host pushing back 0/10 Driving AI Adoption, Rural Economic Opportunity, and Organizational Culture Bob asks about overcoming organizational fear and resistance to AI tools. Kevin responds by referencing his book on rural economic opportunity and explaining how critical mass drives adoption.19:51–23:12 · The host pushing back 0/10 Open Frontier Questions in AI, Energy Efficiency, and Advice for Startups Bob asks about the remaining open questions in AI. Kevin explains the 20-watt efficiency of the human brain versus massive neural network infrastructure and cautions startups against building trivial applications.

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Sharpest disagreement ▶ 21:20 Cautioning against trivial AI wrapper apps

Kevin forcefully advises entrepreneurs not to build the AI equivalent of a fart app, urging them to focus on real user problems instead of shallow wrappers.

Hardest push from the host ▶ 2:12 Inquiring about hardware supply constraints

Bob directly confronts Kevin with the ubiquitous question regarding where Microsoft will source enough GPUs to support its rapidly expanding ecosystem of partners.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 11:15 Reframing developer productivity metrics

Kevin corrects the common management view that software productivity is about lines of code, explaining that true productivity is about keeping engineers in flow state.

The host holds their own ▶ 10:28 Probing internal developer metrics at Microsoft

Bob demonstrates strong domain understanding of enterprise AI adoption by asking specifically how Microsoft instruments and measures developer productivity across its engineering teams.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicThe host as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementThe host pushing backWhy
Microsoft's Vision for AI as an Innovation Platform 1410 Bob Swan opens with broad questions about AI platforms and GPUs. Kevin Scott politely addresses the frequent GPU inquiries and explains Microsoft's strategic cloud partnership model with OpenAI and Meta.
Transforming Knowledge Work and Productivity Across Eras 1410 Bob Swan prompts Kevin for insights on how AI will transform knowledge work. Kevin compares current AI developments to the Industrial Revolution and notes that smartphones did not meaningfully improve knowledge productivity.
Engineering Productivity, Developer Metrics, and Flow State 1520 Bob asks how Microsoft tracks developer productivity. Kevin reframes the premise by asserting that productivity is not lines of code, but rather preserving developer flow state.
Driving AI Adoption, Rural Economic Opportunity, and Organizational Culture 1410 Bob asks about overcoming organizational fear and resistance to AI tools. Kevin responds by referencing his book on rural economic opportunity and explaining how critical mass drives adoption.
Open Frontier Questions in AI, Energy Efficiency, and Advice for Startups 1520 Bob asks about the remaining open questions in AI. Kevin explains the 20-watt efficiency of the human brain versus massive neural network infrastructure and cautions startups against building trivial applications.

Statements from this episode (8)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Microsoft gets requests for GPUs almost every hour of the day
“It's you know, hours in the day that go by where someone's not asking for GPUs is almost non-existent.”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 2:59
Opinion
Scott: OpenAI is by far Microsoft's most important AI partner
“I think if you think about AI, like, by far, in a way, the most important partner we have is is OpenAI.”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 3:28
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Scott: Meta's Llama 2 will be a key building block for AI software
“I think Lama too is just like Lama going to be an important building block that people are going to want to use to build AI software.”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 5:28
Opinion
Smartphones did not significantly boost knowledge worker productivity
“I don't think the smartphone helped much at all just in terms of productivity and knowledge work.”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 7:31
Insight
Scott: Platform breakthroughs take years to emerge after initial release
“The most valuable things that get done on the platforms are not the things that got deployed in the first year or two of the platform change.”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 9:32
Assertion Not checkable as stated
GitHub Copilot's primary benefit is keeping developers in a flow state
“The thing that it really does in our observation with developers more than anything else is it helps keep them in flow state. Longer than they otherwise would.”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 12:44
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Kevin Scott: Human brain is orders of magnitude more efficient than AI
“We have proof points of, you know, a sort of a 20 watt organ that you know, sits between our ears that, that is artificial general intelligence that is many, many, many orders of magnitude more efficient than the Digital artificial neural networks that we're b…”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 20:01
Insight
Kevin Scott: An AI model is not a standalone product
“Like AI is, Like, model's not a product. Like your understanding as an entrepreneur of, like, you know, who is your user? Like, what is their problem? Like, what can you do to help them? And then, like, determining whether or not this AI stuff is actually a us…”
Kevin Scott Sep 25, 2023 ▶ 21:59
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