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Insight
Rejecting the MVP model drove Odoo's ultimate success
“It was very risky, because it took time to monetize and get to something that I could sell and everything, but now that I am looking back, it's probably what Medo do today. It's because I thought about the big picture, everything's smooth together, and it's no…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 4:36 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Management software will commoditize into standardized horizontal tools across industries
“And I think as part of, for my vision is to commoditize the management software market. When you see that as a commoditization, I think everybody will use the same CRM, the same accounting, the same website builder. It doesn't have to be dedicated to one indus…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 18:24 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Odoo's product is years ahead of Microsoft and SAP
“I think our product is years ahead of the competition. There is no way they can do what we do.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 20:06 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Engineering managers must be the best developer on their team
“There is no way you can Make a team of developers become a better developer if you are not the best developer of the team yourself.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 21:44 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Giving budgets to employees encourages irresponsible spending
“If you give budget to people, they will just spend the budget. They won't have any responsibility or whatever. If you don't give them budget, they will have to spend responsibly.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 22:56 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
IQ tests are the second best predictor of job performance
“One thing I noticed is that we also do an IQ test, and it's the second best predictive KPI on the performance of the person.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 26:04 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Odoo bans recurring meetings to avoid traditional managers
“I forbid the recurring meeting at the company. They can do meetings. But on the job, or for specific tasks, or trainings, but not recurring meeting. I mean, recurring meeting is a way to manage people, and we try to avoid managers. We want team leaders that wo…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 30:52 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
SAP and Microsoft enterprise software is shitty, slow, and expensive
“On the market, you have two types of market. You have the large players, like SAP and Microsoft. They do several applications, but it's shitty, it's slow, it's expensive. And people are not happy using it.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 40:41 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Universal software adoption requires low pricing
“If you want to commoditize the market and have every company own your software, you have to have a very small price.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 41:48 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Feb 2045
Odoo will displace SAP within 10 to 20 years
“First, I think it's just a matter of time. I think I don't know how they can survive to what's coming in from them. We have so much advance, years in our head, we are stealing so much clients to them, that it's just a matter of time for me. But it's gonna take…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 46:25 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
SAP's S/4HANA ERP product is a disaster, says Odoo CEO
“Thanks for Sapphorana, which is a disaster. Nobody wants to go. So that opens the door to new entrants like us.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 1:00:07 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Feb 2030
Odoo will never go public via an IPO, says CEO
“No, there will never be an IPO.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 53:56 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
In slow markets like ERPs, superior product always beats marketing
“You can save time with marketing, you can save two or three years, you can grow the company, but at some point you cannot, the product matters. I am on a market that is very slow, you know, ERPs are very slow, LCPs is still shitty after two years, Microsoft Dy…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 11:52 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Scaling is easier by training young talent than hiring VPs
“I think it's easier to scale when you don't need to get the top people. I mean, you just recruit young people, a lot of them, and train them and make them evolve. It's easier than always looking at the best VP of X, the best managers of X.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 25:23 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Odoo ignores resumes and evaluates candidates strictly on practical tests
“So we don't look at resumes, we just make them do some practice and look at it.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 26:00 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Hiring well-rounded candidates yields average talent
“If you look for people that are perfect in everything, you will get people that are average in everything. I mean, if you want people who speak multiple languages, who is a good developer, who is a good communicator, Probably it's gonna be average. So if you d…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 34:57 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Odoo never hires managers or directors externally
“Yes, we never recruit managers and directors. Never ever, even when we reopen a subsidiary in a different country.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 38:22 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
Opening Odoo's San Francisco office was a mistake
“Retrospectively, if I would have opened it elsewhere, I would have preferred, yes.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 38:52 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Meeting VCs outside active deal cycles is a waste of time
“Waste of time. I meet them when we have an operation, so once every three years we get a transaction, then I'm happy to meet everybody, but .”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 52:18 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Feb 2030
Odoo will never sell to an industrial buyer
“We will never sell. At least industrial exit. So it's clear.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 53:38 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Good product UX is often more efficient than AI agents
“So in a lot of ways, UX having a very, very good product is more efficient than AI, but there are also a lot of use cases where AI is good.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 57:05 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Traditional education destroys personal responsibility in young people
“And young people, they are not responsible by default. School, the education system killed that.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 1:02:47 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Reinvesting personal funds in Odoo because it reliably returns 50% yearly
“I still if I have money, I don't have a lot of money in my bank account, but if I have money, I will buy or do shares. Even more. I mean, it's the best investment I can do, so. It's purely financial. I don't know another company that can give me 50% year after…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 1:12:02 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Feb 2035
Management software market will consolidate to two or three players
“I do believe that management software will follow the same trends. Today, there are plenty of factors. But in the future, such technology will be so will be a commodity, like so much mature that there will be one, two, or three players that will have the world…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 1:14:31 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Success in business requires complete obsession, says Odoo CEO
“You have to be obsessed. I don't think you can succeed if you are not obsessed.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 1:07:43 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Odoo switched to open core with 80% free features
“So I had to do another pivot in the business model, and that time I switched to an open core. Business model, where 80% of the features are open source and 20% are for a fee.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 8:42 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Partly supported
Odoo grew revenue 50% annually for 20 straight years
“So if you look at the past 20 years, we basically grew at 50% per year, year after year, every year.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 10:16 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Odoo nearly went bankrupt trying to remain purely open source
“And I fought to keep this open source business model, but To the point where we were close to bankruptcy, so I had to switch.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 10:53 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Software maturity makes product quality matter more than vertical customization
“So we think, I think that as these applications get mature pretty much all the CRM, they look the same today. So it's not so much about CRM for that business or that business, they are the same. So it's more about the quality of your product now rather than ho…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 18:04 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Simple complex software requires genius developers, not an army
“In order to build such a complex software, because companies are complex, to make it super easy it's more about having the right people, a few of them, a few genius guys, rather than having an army of 10,000 developers.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 20:14 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Odoo keeps financial budgets restricted to CFO and finance team
“So we do have a budget, but it's the role of the CFO, the finance team, and we don't share that with the teams. So the budget is just about can we recruit, yes or no, or much, and that's it. The team leaders, they don't have to worry about that. Even the direc…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 22:01 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Most teams at Odoo operate without performance goals
“So on some teams, like the salespeople, we have goals, obviously they have sales target, but it's an exception. Most of the teams don't have.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 23:28 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
KPIs fail because performance evaluation is inherently subjective
“And so, I mean, things are very subjective. If you put KPIs, it's very difficult to and it was obvious, I mean, it was obvious for the whole team that this guy was the best. Yet, on the KPIs, it was the worst. It's just that we gave him the worst project.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 25:00 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Odoo beats competitors in recruiting solely through hiring speed
“And we beat the market because we are fast, just because of that.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 27:34 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Over 90% of Odoo dismissals stem from competency, not culture fit
“It's always competencies. For me it's always you will succeed or you will never, but it's always, for us, 90, probably more than 90% of the people we dismiss, it's always competencies.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 28:45 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Tech CEOs waste time on external networking over operational needs
“I think a lot of CEOs are not right. If you look at the agenda, They are constantly meeting people, going to have a coffee with someone, and, or going to events, and I think the company needs them more than the external people.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 31:40 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Doubts about an employee signal it is already too late
“I keep saying to myself, when there is a doubt, there is no doubt. You know, we are entrepreneurs, and as an entrepreneur, we are always optimistic. We want things to make it work, we think it's gonna be better, and if, even if it doesn't work with someone, we…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 36:17 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Office expansion succeeds on leadership quality, not location
“For me, the way we operate is that the key is not so much about the country or the city, the key is to find the right director. I mean, you can have the best location, you go in San Francisco or Silicon Valley, and you have an average director, it won't work.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 37:10 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Odoo has been profitable without outside funding since 2014
“We are growing since, since, since 2014. We didn't raise money anymore. We are profitable.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 42:23 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Odoo reached $550M in annual revenue this year
“It's five hundred fifty million this year.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 42:38 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Burning more money on marketing would not help Odoo much
“I couldn't burn much more in marketing, but I don't think it would help a lot.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 44:24 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
SAP failed in the small and mid-sized business market
“On small and mid-sized, they failed. On the large companies, they are still the main option.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 47:00 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Odoo built its inbound engine before testing outbound with 30 reps
“So to be fair, we started a few months ago but it's only a few people, I think, 30 people at the company.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 48:10 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Partly supported
Odoo has one product, three departments, and 400,000 lines of code
“We only have one product. One way to deliver the service. Only three big departments. All our companies everywhere operate the same way. Our product is only 400,000 lines of code”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 49:21 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Management layers create a constant dark force toward company complexity
“When you start to have managers and managers of managers and team leaders, they all want to do something. They all have ideas and the complexity is that there is like a dark force that push everyone to complexify the company. And to keep your company simple, y…”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 49:53 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Odoo executives took out loans to purchase shares every funding round
“Every round we were buying shares. And to the point where we get a big loan because we don't have money. We are just simple personnel, so we get a big loan just to acquire shares and at every round.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 51:59 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Odoo and ERP challengers will grow much faster than Salesforce and SAP
“I think same as SAP, most of the, these companies have still a good way to, I mean, you, they will continue. But other challenges like us will grow much faster.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 56:00 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Odoo AI reaches 98.5% accuracy on invoice recognition, outperforming humans
“For instance, in accounting, it transforms the market. We have no 98 per five percent recognition on invoice and bills and everything. Which is better than the humans, and that transformed the market.”
Fabien Pinckaers Feb 12, 2025 ▶ 57:15 Fabien Pinckaers, CEO @Odoo: The Billionaire Founder Who Doesn’t Care About Money | E1259 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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