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Opinion
Balfour: Diversifying growth channels early is a bad investor mindset
“Once you figure out kind of that core, that thing that's working, it's almost always in a venture scale company, the better thing to do Is to focus your firepower, your limited attention, your limited capital, your limited talent on fueling that thing as fast …”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 28:16 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Balfour: Paid capital does not drive Loom's growth, organic loops do
“Money does not help that company grow that much, right? The things that are helping that product grow are its organic viral in content loops, right?”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 8:39 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Product-market fit alone cannot build a venture-scale business
“Product market fit is not enough to build a venture scale business, meaning like a hundred million plus, I kind of pick a number out, a hundred million plus in revenue within some you know, reasonable time period.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 20:35 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Products must be molded to distribution channels, not vice versa
“We cannot mold channels to products. We have to mold the product to the channel, right?”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 22:32 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Balfour: OpenAI's growth is driven by tech talent, not growth strategy
“There's these situations like open AI where they kind of captured lightning in a bottle. I wouldn't attribute amazing growth strategy or growth talent there. I would attribute that to amazing technology. Talent and product talent, but I think those two things …”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 1:08:56 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Balfour: Shopify has the highest growth talent density in tech
“Shopify probably has the best talent density at the moment. Luke Levesque is basically, like, Probably one of the most amazing recruiters I know, and he's built the talent density there that I would easily say is probably the highest talent density team like a…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 1:09:32 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Most founders cannot draw their product's growth machine
“I actually think most people, A lot of people don't understand what the machine is. And the reason is, is if you ask them to draw you a picture that answers how does the product grow, right? They'll either struggle to draw that picture or it'll like, it'll loo…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 10:59 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Marketing growth hires cannot fix failing viral product loops
“And those things are driven so much by virality that if you're not getting the viral loops working, well then hiring a different type of growth person, a marketing or some other thing, it doesn't fucking matter, right? Like you're dead in the water.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 19:04 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Product-led viral startups should delay growth hires until post-PMF
“Loom is the example where I would probably wait till post product market fit to start to carve out like a dedicated product growth team, dedicated marketers, right?”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 19:42 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Non-viral B2B startups need day-one growth hires before PMF
“Whereas the amplitude competitor is one where it's like, Hey, I need somebody dedicated on this from day one to drive some volume to understand whether or not what the hell we're building is even close to on the mark.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 19:55 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Companies assume growth channels saturate sooner than they actually do
“I think the tendency is to actually think something is going to saturate much more quickly than it actually does.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 30:08 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
HubSpot funded internal product bets using VC-style seed and Series A rounds
“The philosophy behind it was, okay, we are going to start with multiple bets. We are going to treat each one of these bets like a new venture investment. We are going to seed fund this. And so they like made us come and they would pitch for our seed funding fo…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 35:11 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Extra headcount and capital do not accelerate finding product fit
“Sometimes more people, more money does not help you find things faster. It's about going through the natural stages with their natural constraints to find things along the way.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 37:29 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Balfour: AI won't master qualitative product nuances or user psychology
“The things that don't change, right, that I don't think AI is going to really help you with that much is understanding, like, all of these qualitative underpinnings of your product, of your use case, of your problem, of your natural frequency, and then the psy…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 48:50 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Growth comes down to four fundamental steps
“Growth boils down to four things, which is you find an arbitrage opportunity. You use that to spark some type of compounding system, some type of growth loop. You optimize the crap out of that system, and then you repeat that, but don't wait too late, right? L…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 49:27 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Balfour: Pushing virality at HubSpot was my biggest mistake
“My biggest mistake at HubSpot was a little bit of what we touched on before, which is that I was in love with, like, the virality and other things that we had going with the early product, but there was a disconnect with the core target market of the core busi…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 52:35 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Balfour: Twitter is the most vulnerable incumbent tech platform right now
“Well, I mean, it's hard to not say Twitter right now from a vulnerability perspective.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 1:01:06 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Market chaos creates growth arbitrage opportunities for startups
“Chaos is actually good for growth people, because within that chaos lives these arbitrage opportunities, these new things that nobody else has figured out, and those sparks are what give new companies and new things life and hope.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 0:00 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Balfour: 70% of early growth leaders came from Facebook social gaming
“I made my way into growth where I would say, like, 70% of, like, the growth OGs made into growth, which was the early Facebook platform social gaming. Days. If you look at like some of the top people in growth, there's like a lineage. It's like almost like a c…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 0:42 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Company growth strategies consist of a limited set menu
“There's not an infinite world of growth options. It's actually it's fairly well defined and constrained, and that's something that I've, like, I've learned pretty dramatically, especially through Reforge, where I get to see inside, you know, the growth of thou…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 3:45 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Growth loops mirror compound interest and require long-term conviction
“When you look at a lot of the highest flying growth strategies, right, what is underneath them is what we call every forge growth loops, where other people call flywheels, but they're basically systems that work like compound interest, right? They're things th…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 4:40 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Focusing on output metrics kills growth initiatives prematurely
“The mistake that most people look at and the reason they kill things too early is that they're looking at the output and not the inputs and seeing like how those things are improving.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 7:01 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Activation is the primary growth constraint for horizontal SaaS
“Very commonly with the product we were talking about, Loom, which is like a horizontal product the constraint is activation, and the reason the constraint is activation is that the biggest strength of horizontal products is also its biggest weakness, is that i…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 15:09 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Viral growth loops do not work for $10,000 upfront products
“You can't use viral loops for a product that you're charging 10,000 dollars up front for. It just doesn't work when you do the math.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 23:57 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Balfour: Brand awareness alone cannot drive enterprise software customer acquisition
“Like awareness and these other pieces, but that alone is not going to drive customers for an enterprise product. And even if you were doing it, if you looked at the overall mix of like, you know, at scale of what's driving customers, it's going to be a pretty …”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 26:11 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Early enterprise startups must focus on core sales over secondary channels
“I can try, I can do a bunch of these, I can do a bunch of these things, but it's actually pulling attention away in the early days from actually understanding and getting that, that core machine working.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 26:48 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Balfour: HubSpot has never missed earnings since its IPO
“They have not missed a earnings since they went public, which was like eight years ago. I don't know if most people that they have never missed in earnings, the perfect record as far as I know.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 31:35 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Balfour killed and reset an over-resourced Reforge product bet
“And look, we made this mistake at reforge with one of our new product bets. And last year I had to kill it, fully reset it, handpick a team of three people and we re and go forward with it.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 37:04 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Kill non-core growth experiments to protect focus on core engine
“Honestly, with limited time, limited resources, like, you gotta kill it, right? Because what you're doing is you're stealing time and attention away from finding that core machine that does contribute. You're focused on the icing, not the cake, and you need to…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 42:01 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Metrics measure if a growth strategy is working, not define it
“Your metrics are there to help answer the question, is your strategy working? Right. And so they are not there to determine your strategy.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 42:52 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Product usage drives revenue, so teams must prioritize usage metrics
“Usage is what creates revenue. Revenue does not create usage, right? So you have to understand the usage of your product first.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 45:10 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Balfour: AI will automate routine growth tactics and quantitative analyses
“I think the surface level tactics and systems will definitely change a lot. So I would say like a lot of these analyses that, you know, seven years ago, eight years ago were sort of leading edge things like Finding what your habit and aha moment are, for examp…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 47:20 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Reforge's early subscription growth blinded leadership to missing retention features
“We transitioned from a transactional to a subscription model, a membership model, and that had huge growth initially like just massive growth. And that kind of put the blinders on us to whether or not we were also doing the things to make a subscription produc…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 53:56 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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Balfour: Direct messaging on WhatsApp remains a massive growth factor globally
“Like in some parts of the world, like WhatsApp, for example, is just a massive growth factor for folks. I've looked at companies that are like complete, their entire growth strategy is on WhatsApp. So like that, that type of direct messaging, I think still, st…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 57:49 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Address book import growth tactics no longer work
“Look, just taking something as taking something as simple as like importing somebody's address book, as an example, that doesn't really work anymore because the There's been so much misuse of that, that people are skeptical and fatigue and like all that kind o…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 58:28 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Balfour names Winters, Contractor, and Cabane as top growth practitioners
“Strategically would be Casey winners. The best person that has thinks about the psychological elements of growth would easily be Darius contractor. The person like a very specialty who I consider like a mad scientist is I call him G, but it's Guillaume Cabane.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 59:23 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Treating growth as a single discipline is a fundamental mistake
“Growth does not mean one thing. As we've talked through, you have to understand the different types of growth systems out there, the ones that work with what types of businesses, and then how do you map talent metrics in other things to those systems. And so I…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 1:00:03 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Balfour: Facebook is the strongest and least vulnerable tech incumbent
“So I think this is a little topic du jour, but I think you got to go Facebook for a few reasons. One is that they still have the OG growth talent that, that they did from. 15 years ago Javier, Alex Schultz, right? Like those people are still There, right? Like…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 1:01:11 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Held up
Balfour: Twitter daily active users will stay flat at 250M
“Yeah, I chose, they're flat. I think Twitter's flat, two fifty million.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 1:04:05 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
HubSpot's Sales Hub hit 100k WAUs before identifying severe user mismatch
“We got to, I don't remember, it was like maybe like a 100,000 weekly active users or something, and then we looked at the user base, and there was a huge mismatch between the types of used, a lot of the types of users that were being, that were showing up in t…”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 39:27 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Disclosure
Balfour: HubSpot grew by tracking user-level usage instead of account-level usage
“Like HubSpot, we had a customer, but we had multiple users on that, like customers account and to understand how to move, grow the business and how to grow the product. It actually wasn't about a usage metric at the customer level. It was about a usage metric …”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 45:45 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Balfour: Growth tactics die from channel changes or user fatigue
“It's either due to a change in the distribution channel due or due to like some form of user, user fatigue.”
Brian Balfour Aug 16, 2023 ▶ 58:57 Brian Balfour: Startup Growth Secrets from HubSpot; Distribution Stratagies; Impact of AI | E1049 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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