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Freise: Interest on national debt exceeds healthcare and defense spending in many countries

Philipp Freise · KKR's Head of European PE, Philipp Freise: Do Andreessen & General Catalyst Scare KKR? · 20VC with Harry Stebbings · Jun 30, 2025 · at 48:03

Philipp Freise, Co-Head of European Private Equity at KKR, addresses Western government budget deficits and debt service costs.

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“If you think about 20, 25, 30% of all of our budgets going to two sources. One, to just serve, serve as the interest of the existing debt stock. It's huge. I mean, in many countries, these are higher expenditures Than our healthcare or defense budgets.”

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Philipp Freise asserts that in many countries, interest payments on existing national debt exceed their healthcare or defense budgets.

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Assessment

National budget data from 2024 and 2025 confirms that annual interest payments on national debt exceed either defense or healthcare budgets in multiple countries across both developed and developing regions. In major advanced economies such as the United States and the United Kingdom, net interest payments exceeded national defense budgets in FY 2024 and 2025. Furthermore, UNCTAD and World Bank reports indicate that over 50 developing countries pay more annually in public debt interest than their total government spending on healthcare.

US FY 2024 net interest payments ($880 billion) surpassed FY 2024 national defense spending ($851-$954 billion).
UK 2024/25 net debt interest outlays (£105 billion) exceeded total defense spending (£60.2 billion).
UNCTAD and World Bank reports from 2024/2025 identified over 50 developing countries where annual interest payments exceed healthcare expenditures.

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[1] epicforamerica.org [2] visualcapitalist.com [3] epicforamerica.org [4] gao.gov [5] forbes.com [6] aa.com.tr [7] lovemoney.com [8] www.gov.uk

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