Fred Turner is the CEO of Curative. Host Harry Stebbings asked him to predict corporate spending on Anthropic AI tools per engineer relative to developer salaries over a three-year timeframe.
“Between maybe two and five X would be the two and five X salary.”
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“We just recently canceled our Salesforce contract because we have an internal CRM that was vibe coded, that is working better, that is managing our process better, is more integrated into what we're doing. We run our agents inside of it, and no one was using S…”
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“We're cutting about 80% of our SaaS spend this year.”
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Fred Turner: Anthropic Could Reach A $10 Trillion Valuation
“I think it could be 10 trillion.”
Fred TurnerJul 18, 2026▶ 1:00:21We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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“We're about 650 people now. In five years we'll probably be bigger. In the short term I think we're going to be quite a bit smaller.”
Fred TurnerJul 18, 2026▶ 1:02:03We Built Our Own Salesforce in Months. Here's Why We're Cancelling the $600K Contract | Curative CEO
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Strategic Investor Pulling Series B Term Sheet Caused Shield's Collapse
“Ended up getting a term sheet from a strategic, large public diagnostic company. Signed the term sheet, did three weeks of work on docs. We were in the second round of docs, and then their CEO killed it because it was too competitive with their core products. …”
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Fred Turner Sold CLIA License For $150K, Re-Bought Same For $27M
“And then in December of 2019, as part of the wind down, I sold that license to a company in San Diego for 150,000 dollars to pay some of the creditors. And then five months later, acquired a company in Southern California to get the same license for twenty sev…”
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