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Edwin Chen: Easiest Way to Game Chatbot Arena Is Lengthy Responses

Edwin Chen · Surge CEO & Co-Founder, Edwin Chen: Scaling to $1BN+ in Revenue with NO Funding · 20VC with Harry Stebbings · Jul 21, 2025 · at 46:22

Edwin Chen is the founder and CEO of Surge, an AI data annotation company. He explains how model responses are optimized for leaderboard metrics rather than actual intelligence.

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“And so one of the, I mean, one of the things that we've learned is that the easiest way to improve in this arena is simply to make your model responses a lot longer.”

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