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Joe Lonsdale

Founder & Managing Partner, 8VC · 2 appearances on the record.

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He co-founded Palantir Technologies, as well as software platforms Addepar and OpenGov. Through his venture firm 8VC, he invests across defense technology, life sciences, and enterprise infrastructure.

64statements → 28claims → 9claims resolved → 78%fully supported → 3.81/5average certainty → 2.64/5average debate potential → 4.1/5argument clarity · the sources → 33said about them ↓

7 supported 0 partly supported 2 contradicted 3 not yet assessed 16 not checkable as stated how the 28 claims stand · each chip opens the sources

10 predictions · 18 assertions · 12 opinions · 15 insights · 8 disclosures · 1 what if · every statement was checked. The predictions and assertions are the 28 claims: statements the public record can support or contradict. 9 are resolved, 3 are not yet assessed, and 16 name no date, number or outcome precise enough to check. Everything else (opinions, insights, what ifs, disclosures) can never be settled by the record, so it carries no assessment.

The record, in short

What the tape says about how Joe argues and how the claims held up. Everything they said, and everything said about them, is in the tabs below.

Their most notable supported claim

Assertion Supported
Lonsdale: Speaking Publicly Has Not Hindered Building Billion-Dollar Companies
“I say the vast majority of what I think, as you could tell when you go and look at things that I've gotten in trouble for now, it hasn't stopped me from building many, many billion dollar companies. It hasn't stopped me from raising a lot of great funds becaus…”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 14:45 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Their most notable contradicted claim

Assertion Contradicted
Lonsdale: Yale University Now Has More Administrators Than Undergraduate Students
“There's now more administrators at Yale than there are students, and almost as many at Harvard”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 20:52 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Expressed certainty vs assessment result

none yet certainty 1
none yet certainty 2
100% certainty 3
75% certainty 4
none yet certainty 5

weighted support: a fully supported claim counts one, a partly supported claim counts half. Each filled bar is clickable and opens exactly those claims; "none yet" means nothing said at that certainty level has resolved yet

Argument clarity: do they answer the question? how? →

4.1 / 5 directness 4.4 · coherence 4.2 · precision 3.9 · compression 3.5

redirected or did not address 1 of 42 assessed questions (2%). Watch them ▸

This is a score against a rubric. It is not a rank. Every host question → answer exchange is scored with names hidden on directness, coherence, precision and compression, 1–5 each, on meaning alone: disfluencies are ignored, and only raw unedited episodes count. This is the score that measures thought. Every scored exchange, scores shown → · The rubric and its checks →

How they sound: speaking style how? →

297 words/min while actually speaking · 8.7 um and uh per 1k words · 29.3 false starts per 1k · 27.5% of pauses land inside a clause

Measured by listening to the audio itself: 12,915 words across 1 episode of raw-level tape, transcribed verbatim with every um and uh kept, each one attributed only where the alignment onto our timed stream is unambiguous. These are measurements of speaking style. We do not rank them: across this corpus, fluency and argument quality are nearly uncorrelated (ρ≈0.2), and smooth talking does not signal clear thinking. How it's measured →

How the interview went all their pushback → series average →

Across 2 rated episodes:

host pushback ▾ 5/10
pushed back at the host ▾ 3.5/10
setup questions received 55%

Everything Joe Lonsdale said on 20VC that made the record, most notable first. Filter by type, assessment or year in the ledger →

Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lonsdale: Israel Will Keep Fighting and Completely Wipe Out Hamas
“The way it stands now is, is we're going to keep fighting. We're going to wipe out Hamas and hopefully we can work with others to have a government there. That's not, you know, does not allow terrorism.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 34:38 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lonsdale: Anti-Israel Hatred in Gaza Stems From School Indoctrination
“I think basically what creates a generation of civilians that hate Israel is you have the schools in that area have been run by people who teach people that Jews are pigs and Jews are wrong and our religion hates Jews.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 34:58 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Lonsdale: Silicon Valley cancel culture resembles 1970s Maoist struggle sessions
“What's really happened here is there's like five or 10% of people who are on one political extreme who've really hijacked the conversation and who've kind of pushed forward this kind of cancel culture, who have kind of pushed forward stuff that really resemble…”
Joe Lonsdale Jul 7, 2020 ▶ 22:24 20VC: 8VC's Joe Lonsdale on How To Foster Contrarian Thinking Within Venture Partnerships, Why The Best VCs Are Company Builders & Why It Is Not Possible To Build Multi-Billion Dollar Companies and Have Worklife Balance
Opinion
Lonsdale: Donald Trump's Team Is More Likely to Fix Broken US Institutions
“I think Trump's extremely imperfect. He has all sorts of issues that bother me. You know, I think it's very problematic. I wish we had other people, but I think his side Is more likely to push these things in the right direction in terms of the stuff that's re…”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 28:03 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Lonsdale: China Controls TikTok's Algorithms to Brainwash Tens of Millions of Americans
“Yeah, I would force them to divest of Tik Tok. I think that, I think that's fine for Americans own Tik Tok. I think right now, China controls the Tik Tok algorithms. I don't care if the guy's based in Singapore, some of the data's here. It's very clear China c…”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 28:35 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Lonsdale: China Is Likely to Launch a Military Strike Within Four Years
“I'm very concerned about the geopolitical situation with China and Russia and the potential of war. When I was in, you know, a country in Asia, I won't say the name, seeing our ambassador there, who's on the other political side, but a very smart guy. Even he …”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 1:00:35 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Lonsdale: Lean startup methodology is useless for complex enterprise companies
“The whole lean startup movement I thought was bullshit when it was happening in terms of the things I wanted to do. There definitely was a lean startup movement. Didn't make sense at all for the areas I wanted to work on and focus on. You couldn't have done a …”
Joe Lonsdale Jul 7, 2020 ▶ 15:19 20VC: 8VC's Joe Lonsdale on How To Foster Contrarian Thinking Within Venture Partnerships, Why The Best VCs Are Company Builders & Why It Is Not Possible To Build Multi-Billion Dollar Companies and Have Worklife Balance
Insight
Lonsdale: Building a multi-billion-dollar company precludes healthy work-life balance
“You cannot have healthy worth life balance and build a multi-billion dollar company.”
Joe Lonsdale Jul 7, 2020 ▶ 30:56 20VC: 8VC's Joe Lonsdale on How To Foster Contrarian Thinking Within Venture Partnerships, Why The Best VCs Are Company Builders & Why It Is Not Possible To Build Multi-Billion Dollar Companies and Have Worklife Balance
Opinion
Lonsdale: Top University Students Pursue Conformity Over Truth
“I think you're taught to shut up and virtue signal and be very careful what you say. And that's the exact opposite of what a liberal education is supposed to be. You think these kids at these top universities are pursuing truth? They're not pursuing truth. The…”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 0:00 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Open · timeframe Mar 2029
Lonsdale: SPC Will Buy a For-Profit Prison to Tie Profits to Recidivism
“We have a group we're sponsoring. Social, social profit corrections, SPC. What we're doing is we're taking a nonprofit. We're going to buy a for-profit prison and we're going to run it as if the only way to make profit was pay for performance was lower recidiv…”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 10:58 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Lonsdale: Wokeness Prioritizes Virtue Signaling Over Competence and Societal Function
“And it's a problem, Harry, because it's basically focusing on virtue signaling and focusing on things that, that don't matter as much at the sake of competence or the sake of a functional society.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 13:32 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Lonsdale: Speaking Publicly Has Not Hindered Building Billion-Dollar Companies
“I say the vast majority of what I think, as you could tell when you go and look at things that I've gotten in trouble for now, it hasn't stopped me from building many, many billion dollar companies. It hasn't stopped me from raising a lot of great funds becaus…”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 14:45 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Lonsdale: Institutional Accountability Eliminates Wokeness by Forcing Operational Focus
“When you make these things accountable, whatever they are, they become less woke because they're now focused on, on actually getting things done.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 19:30 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Contradicted
Lonsdale: Yale University Now Has More Administrators Than Undergraduate Students
“There's now more administrators at Yale than there are students, and almost as many at Harvard”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 20:52 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Contradicted
Lonsdale: Two-Thirds of University Students Report Self-Censoring Their Views
“The students, you know, two thirds report self-censorship to not just not say what they think because they're afraid to get in trouble at these places.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 21:29 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Lonsdale: Elon Musk Leads the Resistance Against Ideological Conformity
“I think Elon Musk has done more than anybody else to model this behavior, to stand up to this nonsense and to call out things you're not supposed to call out and to reveal things you're not supposed to reveal.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 24:39 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Opinion
Lonsdale: China Is the Single Biggest Threat to the United States
“China is by far our biggest threat to have that kind of dictatorship. A lot of people like to pretend that it's just like, oh, Americans are just being like nativist or hawkish or whatever. No, this guy was hiring a lot of his best and brightest to build milit…”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 29:20 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
What-if
Lonsdale: The Russia-Ukraine War Was Unnecessary Under Savvier US Leadership
“And I think that this conflict was unnecessary if we'd had a president who was savvier about how to handle it”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 32:31 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Lonsdale: Passing US State Legislation Costs a Few Hundred Thousand Dollars
“For a couple 100,000 dollars, you could take a law that's a really good law. It's going to help a lot of people and hire people and go testify. And there's a good chance you can get it done in, in a state where you're making a big difference”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 46:15 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Insight
Lonsdale: Venture Investors in Great Tech Companies Should Hold Shares Longer
“The lesson was that I probably should have held everything for an extra 10 or 15 years, and I, and Peter Thiel had the same lesson, and I've learned a lot from Peter, and he obviously sold out of Facebook too soon, too”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 47:58 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Prediction Not publicly verifiable
Lonsdale: 8VC's Bay Area investing share will drop to 40-50%
“I think when I first started the firm almost a decade ago, we were like 90% investing around here. I think the number is somewhere around 60% now around here, maybe, maybe kind of mid, maybe 60 to mid-sixties, and I could very easily see it going down to 40 or…”
Joe Lonsdale Jul 7, 2020 ▶ 20:38 20VC: 8VC's Joe Lonsdale on How To Foster Contrarian Thinking Within Venture Partnerships, Why The Best VCs Are Company Builders & Why It Is Not Possible To Build Multi-Billion Dollar Companies and Have Worklife Balance
Opinion
Lonsdale: UK laws policing offensive online speech are a huge mistake
“First of all, I think the UK does have, like, strange online speech laws where, like, the police will visit you for saying things that if they find offensive, which I think is just absolutely unacceptable. I think you guys have been a huge mistake there.”
Joe Lonsdale Jul 7, 2020 ▶ 23:19 20VC: 8VC's Joe Lonsdale on How To Foster Contrarian Thinking Within Venture Partnerships, Why The Best VCs Are Company Builders & Why It Is Not Possible To Build Multi-Billion Dollar Companies and Have Worklife Balance
Opinion
Lonsdale: The United States Functions Best as a Frontier Nation
“So America is best as a frontier nation.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 5:59 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
Assertion Supported
Lonsdale: 90% of United States Prisons Are Non-Profit Facilities
“People can blame for profit prisons, but 90% of them are nonprofit.”
Joe Lonsdale Mar 11, 2024 ▶ 9:38 Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings

Show 24statements(40 left)

The other half of the tape: Joe Lonsdale's own voice is left out of every number here. Other people bring the name up 30 times in 13 episodes on 20VC. 3 statements on the record name them. every mention, with the transcript →

Who brings them up most Harry Stebbings 7Zachary Bookman 6Shyam Sankar 5Mike Maples 3Shervin Pishevar 2David Teten 2Garry Tan 1Dylan Serota 1

Statements about Joe Lonsdale, by other people (3)

Disclosure
Tan turned down being Palantir's first engineer due to media sentiment
“Why did I turn down being first engineer at Palantir? I spent a lot of time trying to figure that out, and it actually came out of this thinking, because this is why I'm very, very careful about it, that when I was 23 and I got an offer from one of the best in…”
Garry Tan Dec 14, 2016 ▶ 21:07 20VC: Garry Tan on The Biggest Takeaways From Advising 700 Companies @ Y Combinator & Why Now Is The Golden Age For The Early Stage?
Assertion Supported
Joe Lonsdale's 8VC Was 2016's Largest First-Time VC Fund at $400M+
“I mean, the largest fund that was raised this year was Eight Partners, which is Joe Lonsdale's new fund, and obviously he's an experienced investor. They raised for over four hundred million.”
Beezer Clarkson Oct 24, 2016 ▶ 13:19 20VC: More $ Raised This Year Than The Past 15, War Chests Being Built & Decline In First Time Funds: So What The Heck Is Happening In Venture with Beezer Clarkson, Managing Director @ Sapphire Ventures
Assertion Supported
Adrian Aoun raised Forward capital from Marc Benioff and Eric Schmidt
“To date, Adrian has raised funding from some of the true greats of the business, including Mark Benioff, Eric Schmidt, Joe Lonsdale, Aaron Levy, and Josh Kushner, just to name a few.”
Harry Stebbings May 25, 2018 ▶ 0:27 20VC: The Core Lessons From Building a 150 Startup Angel Portfolio, Why Founders Who Angel Invest Have Such Strong Advantages and Why The Lean Startup Makes Less and Less Sense Today with Adrian Aoun, Founder & CEO @ Forward

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Appearances (2)

EpisodeDateSpeaking time
Joe Lonsdale: The Future of TikTok; Is it a Danger to US National Security? | E1125 · 20VC Mar 11, 2024 49m
20VC: 8VC's Joe Lonsdale on How To Foster Contrarian Thinking Within Venture Partnerships, Jul 7, 2020 25m
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