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Q Can I ask you a bit of a weird one? You're so calm and kind of at peace with yourself, it seems. Do you ever, like, Lose your shit, and like, how do you manage with the really tough situations where things aren't in control, and future biz isn't there, and current biz has got to deal with this?

A Oh yeah, it's weird, because I, I don't know why this is true, and I, it's kind of uncomfortable even to say this, but it seems like a kind of like crisis. In fact, it's, I get kind of calmer during emergencies, and time slows down for me. I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but I've definitely, like, I've been stressed out and lost by cool. I mean, I remember distinctly in the early days when, when Jack was CEO of Twitter the first time, I finally just got frustrated and said, I was upset that the site was down yet again. And I said something like, why can't we keep this site up? Or I don't know, I just, I shouted something. And then Jack asked that he could take a walk with me. And when we took a little walk around South Park and he said, I need you to be the guy that's happy with things and helping everyone else. Get along, and it felt good to me, because I realized that's what I'd been doing, except for that one moment, and that it was actually something, it was something, and it was helping. So it made me feel a little bit better about myself, which helped me to be more calm, and think of the other people.

AI assessment note: “I've definitely, like, I've been stressed out and lost by cool.”

Q interested, you know, if we switch from, kind of, kind of, the deep and, uh, you know, very calm person, to, kind of, biz the operator. You know, as I said, spoke to Fred, and spoke to many people before the show, and they said, touch on the return to Twitter, 2017 to 2019. Why did you return then at that moment, and what was the thinking for you there?

A Oh yeah, that was weird, but because Jack had just been named not interim CEO anymore, so okay, we're gonna go ahead and have you as the real CEO, even though you're also CEO of Square. There was a committee of the board that was trying to find somebody else, and they, they weren't able to find anyone better than Jack. And then he asked me to come in to something we call tea time, like Tea, the kind you drink, and, um, it's something we had done since the beginning. The whole company gathers around, and we, uh, meet up about the week, and he asked me to come in and be a guest. I did, and then in the middle of it, and then three or four times after, he asked me in front of everyone if I would come back, and it was good for my ego, because everyone was clapping and cheering and everything, and, but I wasn't sure if he meant it or not, so I kind of brushed it off awkwardly, like, four times, and then afterwards, he said, I'm serious. I needed to come back. I need the tweets must flow biz, and now I gotta go. And what he meant was, it was a blog post about policy that I had written in, I believe, 2011, and so I knew what he meant. I seriously needed to come back and start thinking about everything from the Twitter rules and enforcing them to company morale, and I think the company morale was a big deal too, but it's something we couldn't publish at the time, so it was kind of awkwa…

AI assessment note: “he asked me in front of everyone if I would come back”

Q Can I ask you a bit of a weird one? You're so calm and kind of at peace with yourself, it seems. Do you ever, like, Lose your shit, and like, how do you manage with the really tough situations where things aren't in control, and future biz isn't there, and current biz has got to deal with this?

A Oh yeah, it's weird, because I, I don't know why this is true, and I, it's kind of uncomfortable even to say this, but it seems like a kind of like crisis. In fact, it's, I get kind of calmer during emergencies, and time slows down for me. I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but I've definitely, like, I've been stressed out and lost by cool. I mean, I remember distinctly in the early days when, when Jack was CEO of Twitter the first time, I finally just got frustrated and said, I was upset that the site was down yet again. And I said something like, why can't we keep this site up? Or I don't know, I just, I shouted something. And then Jack asked that he could take a walk with me. And when we took a little walk around South Park and he said, I need you to be the guy that's happy with things and helping everyone else. Get along, and it felt good to me, because I realized that's what I'd been doing, except for that one moment, and that it was actually something, it was something, and it was helping. So it made me feel a little bit better about myself, which helped me to be more calm, and think of the other people.

AI assessment note: “I've definitely, like, I've been stressed out and lost by cool.”

Q I love that. Tell me, you spend a lot of time in the UK. How does UK and European ecosystem compare to the Valley in your mind?

A Oh yeah. It's funny because there's, I do feel like in the UK and maybe in Europe, this isn't true of everything or everyone, but I do feel in general, there's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy happening there where Where, uh, VCs don't really want to take that much of a risk. And so contrary to what it's like in the States, I feel like they often will offer something like a hundred or 200,000 in exchange for a healthy ownership percentage of the company because they don't really love the risk or they'll want to, they'll want to say, they'll want to say, I don't want to invest until I see a brand name investor leading or, you know, call me when it's just the rest of the investment. And as a result, I think The entrepreneurs are trained not to ask for more and also trained not to swing for the fences like crazy. You know, in the U S we'll see people saying, here's my deck. And obviously I don't even put how we would make money on here because that's not until way down the line, because it depends on the success of this first, before we even tried to monetize anything. And so obviously we need to do all these things first. Okay. That makes sense. It's a grand vision. Let's go for it. And then In the UK, it's how do I see some revenues in the first year and all this stuff, and I'd like to help transform that by really getting behind the entrepreneurs in the UK and Europe, and I, …

AI assessment note: “contrary to what it's like in the States, I feel like they often”

Q interesting to me. I have a fascination. You listened to the show with Owen, where we spoke about kind of relationships with money, and Bijan said a really interesting thing about you. He said to him a long time ago, success and money doesn't change who you are. It just heightens who you are. So on this, what did you mean by this, and how do you think about that?

A Yeah. This is what I've come to understand is that you're not changed by great wealth, like, you know, too much money. You're, what happens is whatever the type of person you were before is then amplified like a hundred times over. So if you're a really nice, helpful person, then you end up doing philanthropy and setting up programs and everything. And maybe if you're, you know, if you're crazy, you end up saying, well, I can afford to let mountain lions loose In San Francisco, just for fun, I'm gonna do it. If you're self-centered or, uh, greedy or anything like that, it just comes out so much more. You know, I love shopping. I'm gonna take a private jet to New York City and shop today, just because I can. And so, I have this whole theory that, you know, first, you just, you don't have enough money, and what happens is every little thing becomes, like, bone on bone with no cartilage. Every little argument that you might get into over a phone bill or something becomes this epic argument with your significant other about, it's your fault. No, it's your fault, and everything's just It's really difficult to manage. And then you get enough money to pay your bills and, um, you know, maybe those little arguments go away, but there's still bigger ones and, you know, you're getting by, but there's tons of things you wish you could do. If only you had more money. And then you get, if yo…

AI assessment note: “whatever the type of person you were before is then amplified like a hundred times over”

Q interesting to me. I have a fascination. You listened to the show with Owen, where we spoke about kind of relationships with money, and Bijan said a really interesting thing about you. He said to him a long time ago, success and money doesn't change who you are. It just heightens who you are. So on this, what did you mean by this, and how do you think about that?

A Yeah. This is what I've come to understand is that you're not changed by great wealth, like, you know, too much money. You're, what happens is whatever the type of person you were before is then amplified like a hundred times over. So if you're a really nice, helpful person, then you end up doing philanthropy and setting up programs and everything. And maybe if you're, you know, if you're crazy, you end up saying, well, I can afford to let mountain lions loose In San Francisco, just for fun, I'm gonna do it. If you're self-centered or, uh, greedy or anything like that, it just comes out so much more. You know, I love shopping. I'm gonna take a private jet to New York City and shop today, just because I can. And so, I have this whole theory that, you know, first, you just, you don't have enough money, and what happens is every little thing becomes, like, bone on bone with no cartilage. Every little argument that you might get into over a phone bill or something becomes this epic argument with your significant other about, it's your fault. No, it's your fault, and everything's just It's really difficult to manage. And then you get enough money to pay your bills and, um, you know, maybe those little arguments go away, but there's still bigger ones and, you know, you're getting by, but there's tons of things you wish you could do. If only you had more money. And then you get, if yo…

AI assessment note: “whatever the type of person you were before is then amplified like a hundred times”

Q I do get you. You mentioned the happiness in looking after people around you. I spoke to Fred before the show, obviously, and he asked a question which was like, from the perspective of being a father, how do you think about the impact of wealth on children? And it's

A Let me just clarify, that's, that's Fred Blackford, my, uh, my partner. Not my life partner, but my business partner. Any kind of life partner. Yeah, the, I have a son, and, um, it's funny because I never had to learn what the value of money was. I mean, I was working since I was eight years old because I was mowing the neighbor's lawn. I started out doing that, and, um, so I never had to be taught that, and it's just so foreign to me to think, I'm gonna have to teach it, uh, to my son. But I started early, and just to the point where I think last year, I was, I said I was going to stay home from work that day, and my son asked me if we'd still be able to pay the mortgage, and then my wife gave me a little bit of a hard time saying, you know, I think you've done your, what you're trying to do, because now he thinks we can't pay for the house, and maybe I overdid it a little bit, but it's just a matter of asking what things cost, and trying to fix things, and sort of buying a new one, and making sure that people know what the value of money is. So I do think that's important personally. I'm not sure if everyone thinks how important it is, but I'm keen and cautious not to be very, be flippant about things to the point where my son just thinks that all this stuff is a given.

AI assessment note: “cautious not to be very, be flippant about things to the point where my son”

Q we spoke about this in Owen's show, but it's like, on the flip side, it's also incredibly detrimental when, for the founder, their identity is so integrated into the company, because resales, the company no longer needs you, and you're not CEO anymore, whatever that is, and you're fundamentally bereft and lost. How do you think about aligning one's identity to a company, and how do you think about that?

A Yeah, well, I mean, identity and then what you do, I think, can be separated because if your goal every day is to make yourself obsolete and design the company so that if you were to leave the next day, it would operate just fine. The parts of your personality that you share with the company that ends up adopting are the best ones. I think that's a good way to leave the company. If you rule with an iron fist and you insist that everything passes by you for decision, don't delegate, and you also imprint The company with your own personality, then I do think it ends up being broken when you leave, because it's looking for that shape of a personality to fill whatever's the void. I think if you would instead share with it your best traits, and make sure that you are delegating properly, and people have the tools to make decisions without you, then that's the right way to go.

AI assessment note: “identity and then what you do, I think, can be separated”

Q What led to that, though, that challenge in morale, that challenge in culture? Was it just that company performance, or do you think there were more deliberate things that you maybe didn't do or that could have been done to maintain and sustain culture and morale?

A Well, one thing that comes to mind is something that I did do when I got back, and it wasn't there since the beginning, but there was something that still pushed the team and pushed the team, and people just believed in Twitter who worked there. But then, the more that folks came in, and the more of a real big company, it seemed, and where people would come in for their career and then leave, it was harder for folks to go based on faith, given that scenario. And so, what I did when I came in is, is Jack and I hammered out a purpose statement for Twitter. The answer to the question, why do we exist? Because before that, if we asked around at the company, you know, what's the purpose of Twitter's existence? People would say, ah, free speech? Or, you know, or they would just kind of make something up, and it was a different answer for everyone, and when we came up with, we serve the public conversation, folks can argue about whether or not that's a good one, but the idea is that missions can be completed or failed, but purposes endure. You know, Google always had organized the world's information to make it universally accessible. That attracted a certain kind of employee that wanted to do that forever job. It's not something you just, okay, all the world's information is now All arranged, because you keep getting more and more and more, and so we did that, and then what it really…

AI assessment note: “Jack and I hammered out a purpose statement for Twitter.”

Q Why do you think, is the Mr. Nice, like, a desire to please? Because I have this desire to please and this fear of saying no. Why do you think yours is?

A Yeah, I always thought that was, I kind of thought it was what everybody was thinking, but I guess it's not. I think it does, it takes, um, I think you need to be kind of enlightened and okay with yourself before you can start feeling like it's okay to walk around with enemies or people that don't like you. And maybe I'm just not there yet because, you know, it bugs me if I think that somebody isn't getting along with me or something. I, you know, some people I know have done all these sort of construction and things in their, to their house and to talk about how angry their neighbors are. And I think to myself, oh my gosh, I would feel like I had to move if my neighbors were that angry with me.

AI assessment note: “it bugs me if I think that somebody isn't getting along with me”

Q What's your biggest strength and your biggest weakness, Liz?

A Well, I feel like most people would say, and I think I would agree with them, that my biggest strength is my ability to think creatively. A lot of my friends want to grab me for brainstorming, but then I think maybe my greatest weakness is something that seems attached to that, which is on the flip side, I can be, um, I can have a low attention span or a short attention span and want to Because I think part of that thinking creatively is just, you can jump around, you can think really laterally, or jump ahead in time, or back in time, and reach for all these things, and make all these crazy connections, but then, as a result of that, my brain is also doing that when I'm just trying to go through a bunch of emails as well.

AI assessment note: “my biggest strength is my ability to think creatively... my greatest weakness”

Q mean, one way that, uh, you've, another way that you've excelled past the operating is also just on the investing front. You know, I think not many people know, but like investing in Nest, Square, Slack, Intercom. I mean, fuck. My question to you is like, how do you think about yourself As an investor. And I guess, how would you describe your investing mindset given the many past winners?

A Yeah. It's funny. Cause I never really thought of myself as an investor or any kind of person that knew anything about money, because I guess I thought of it more like, I don't know when I started thinking about this, but I started, I guess it's in my entrepreneurial life. I started thinking of money as a tool to, you know, how do you get things done when you, you need this capital to do this and that. And so personally investing, it wasn't until I had a little bit of money A little bit more money than I need to follow the bills. And the way I did that was I felt like I was helping my peers, helping my peers and contributing back to the ecosystem rather than, ooh, I'm going to try to make some money off of this. In fact, I think the healthy way to think about angel investing is you have to be okay with all of that money disappearing and still be happy about having done what you did. And so that's the mentality that I approach for just personally investing my own money in things. And that's why I also don't tend to sell those things.

AI assessment note: “contributing back to the ecosystem rather than, ooh, I'm going to try to make some money”

Q Why do you think, is the Mr. Nice, like, a desire to please? Because I have this desire to please and this fear of saying no. Why do you think yours is?

A Yeah, I always thought that was, I kind of thought it was what everybody was thinking, but I guess it's not. I think it does, it takes, um, I think you need to be kind of enlightened and okay with yourself before you can start feeling like it's okay to walk around with enemies or people that don't like you. And maybe I'm just not there yet because, you know, it bugs me if I think that somebody isn't getting along with me or something. I, you know, some people I know have done all these sort of construction and things in their, to their house and to talk about how angry their neighbors are. And I think to myself, oh my gosh, I would feel like I had to move if my neighbors were that angry with me.

AI assessment note: “you need to be kind of enlightened and okay with yourself before you can”

Q Do you not find yourself, and maybe this is a reflection of myself, do you not find yourself always wanting more? Do you not always have that treadmill chase?

A I know exactly what you mean, and the reason I don't have that is because, I think it's because I know, just like you are, I'm self-aware of that, and so, and I think I've done that, and then I just stopped doing it, and said, I don't think that's going to do anything. I think it's natural human nature. Most of my life, I was Struggling with money. So I always had this vague idea that, well, actually, I had this goal that I would get a little house and have a little backyard, and if I could do that, it would be fantastic. And so I got that, and I was actually pretty excited that I got that. And then, like I said, everything else, I'm not sure what else to do after that.

AI assessment note: “the reason I don't have that is because, I think it's because”

Q mean, one way that, uh, you've, another way that you've excelled past the operating is also just on the investing front. You know, I think not many people know, but like investing in Nest, Square, Slack, Intercom. I mean, fuck. My question to you is like, how do you think about yourself As an investor. And I guess, how would you describe your investing mindset given the many past winners?

A Yeah. It's funny. Cause I never really thought of myself as an investor or any kind of person that knew anything about money, because I guess I thought of it more like, I don't know when I started thinking about this, but I started, I guess it's in my entrepreneurial life. I started thinking of money as a tool to, you know, how do you get things done when you, you need this capital to do this and that. And so personally investing, it wasn't until I had a little bit of money A little bit more money than I need to follow the bills. And the way I did that was I felt like I was helping my peers, helping my peers and contributing back to the ecosystem rather than, ooh, I'm going to try to make some money off of this. In fact, I think the healthy way to think about angel investing is you have to be okay with all of that money disappearing and still be happy about having done what you did. And so that's the mentality that I approach for just personally investing my own money in things. And that's why I also don't tend to sell those things.

AI assessment note: “I felt like I was helping my peers and contributing back to the ecosystem”

Q Is that a reason though? Because we hear these fabled stories of everyone.

A No, that's a, it's not a good reason, but it's a reason. And then also, of course, like the way to do it is to stick with it. You know, like Ethan with Beyond Meat and so many others that just said, I have this grand vision and it's going to take me a long time to get there. I'm going to stick it out. Or this is just people who know when to pivot and can tell. So, I mean, I think it has a lot to do with whether or not this is something that you love to do and is Feels like it's within you, and you have to, you have to get it done, and you don't hear everyone saying, this is terrible, you should quit, because it's almost like everything sounds like some kind of compliment to you. Gets morphed into, great job. You know, when we were doing Twitter, somebody early on said, Twitter is the Seinfeld of the internet. It's a website about nothing, and the first thing I thought was, wow, Seinfeld's a hit show, and I put it as a testimonial on the rotating testimonials I put on the website. People were saying to me, I don't think that means what you think it means. And then I've also known people who just stick with something, and I can tell it's, they don't really love it, and it's not going to work, and they keep thinking it should work, you know, somebody, maybe somebody else did it, you know, and then it's just, then I have to say to them, you know, I think you're really just kind of …

AI assessment note: “No, that's a, it's not a good reason, but it's a reason.”

Q Can I turn the lens on you a little bit, and I hope it's not too personal, but how do you think about how you've changed with your kind of growing wealth bluntly and your relationship to money and its impact on you specifically?

A It's funny because I, I don't know, it feels like I can't quite get into the groove of being a wealthy person. You know, that may sound humorous to people like, well, if I hadn't, I'd know what to do. And I wish I knew what that was exactly because I mean, one thing I know for sure, being able to take care of everyone and make sure everyone's comfortable is fantastic. I mean, that's more than I ever wanted for sure. And then I don't really know exactly what to go to after that. Well, a lot of people sometimes say to me, don't you have a guy for that? And I keep thinking, is there some kind of secret wealthy person memo I'm supposed to get that tells me these things? Because I don't have a guy for that. Am I supposed to have a guy for that? And you know, other things like that. I'm just really happy that I can pay the bills and also donate. And Beyond that, I don't, I don't have any kind of plan.

AI assessment note: “feels like I can't quite get into the groove of being a wealthy person”

Q Is that a reason though? Because we hear these fabled stories of everyone.

A No, that's a, it's not a good reason, but it's a reason. And then also, of course, like the way to do it is to stick with it. You know, like Ethan with Beyond Meat and so many others that just said, I have this grand vision and it's going to take me a long time to get there. I'm going to stick it out. Or this is just people who know when to pivot and can tell. So, I mean, I think it has a lot to do with whether or not this is something that you love to do and is Feels like it's within you, and you have to, you have to get it done, and you don't hear everyone saying, this is terrible, you should quit, because it's almost like everything sounds like some kind of compliment to you. Gets morphed into, great job. You know, when we were doing Twitter, somebody early on said, Twitter is the Seinfeld of the internet. It's a website about nothing, and the first thing I thought was, wow, Seinfeld's a hit show, and I put it as a testimonial on the rotating testimonials I put on the website. People were saying to me, I don't think that means what you think it means. And then I've also known people who just stick with something, and I can tell it's, they don't really love it, and it's not going to work, and they keep thinking it should work, you know, somebody, maybe somebody else did it, you know, and then it's just, then I have to say to them, you know, I think you're really just kind of …

AI assessment note: “No, that's a, it's not a good reason, but it's a reason.”

Q Do you not find yourself, and maybe this is a reflection of myself, do you not find yourself always wanting more? Do you not always have that treadmill chase?

A I know exactly what you mean, and the reason I don't have that is because, I think it's because I know, just like you are, I'm self-aware of that, and so, and I think I've done that, and then I just stopped doing it, and said, I don't think that's going to do anything. I think it's natural human nature. Most of my life, I was Struggling with money. So I always had this vague idea that, well, actually, I had this goal that I would get a little house and have a little backyard, and if I could do that, it would be fantastic. And so I got that, and I was actually pretty excited that I got that. And then, like I said, everything else, I'm not sure what else to do after that.

AI assessment note: “the reason I don't have that is because”

Q Can I turn the lens on you a little bit, and I hope it's not too personal, but how do you think about how you've changed with your kind of growing wealth bluntly and your relationship to money and its impact on you specifically?

A It's funny because I, I don't know, it feels like I can't quite get into the groove of being a wealthy person. You know, that may sound humorous to people like, well, if I hadn't, I'd know what to do. And I wish I knew what that was exactly because I mean, one thing I know for sure, being able to take care of everyone and make sure everyone's comfortable is fantastic. I mean, that's more than I ever wanted for sure. And then I don't really know exactly what to go to after that. Well, a lot of people sometimes say to me, don't you have a guy for that? And I keep thinking, is there some kind of secret wealthy person memo I'm supposed to get that tells me these things? Because I don't have a guy for that. Am I supposed to have a guy for that? And you know, other things like that. I'm just really happy that I can pay the bills and also donate. And Beyond that, I don't, I don't have any kind of plan.

AI assessment note: “it feels like I can't quite get into the groove of being a wealthy person”

Q these. No, I get you. Final one on before we move into the great firing. It's like, we mentioned some of the amazing businesses in terms of like common threads. What are some of the common threads that you saw When you look back, are there any surprising elements that you saw that kind of run throughout them that maybe aren't expected other than great founder, big market, good product?

A Well, I guess the thing that's common is it's usually how, just how I'm so surprised at the, the vision of this person, even before there's any kind of product traction, maybe even product, but you know, I was just talking to someone the other day who said, you know, I don't have any sense of what this is going to be, but here's what I'm trying to go for. And then we'll backwards engineer whatever the product is based on this vision. And I'm usually when I want to invest, I find myself stunned by the enormity of the vision. And, you know, it's like, oh my God, that anyone would even think of that is impressive, let alone whatever this product is going to be and whatever this journey is going to be like. And every time you hear it, it's an amazing thing all over again.

AI assessment note: “the thing that's common is it's usually how, just how I'm so surprised at the, the vision”

Q discrepancies and debates over kind of being able to bring one's full self to work. You know, Brian Armstrong obviously wrote the Coinbase piece, and, um, Owen said on the show itself, you know, a company's not a democracy. How do you feel about this, and kind of the sentiment, and your own perspective on whether one should or shouldn't be able to bring their full selves to the workplace?

A Well, I mean, I think a lot of people think and say if you, you know, it's a healthier work environment, and you're better at your job if you can bring it. Your full self. There might be downsides, but I do think that companies end up with a personality similar to the way people do, and it's kind of like an emergence. If you don't do anything about it, you could just end up attracting a certain kind of culture for your company. If you take more purposeful steps, then you end up building something that you like, and it's like a personality, so I think it's, it's fine, and it's worth it to bring your full self, and then Be able to do all these things that you can do, but there is a downside, I think, in that, especially if a founder attaches their personally, personality so heavily to the company, then if they leave, what's, they're going to leave a big space there. So at the very least, what they'll need to do is have a long transition period. You know, I think there are trade-offs either way, but I think it would be kind of soulless if everyone just said, I'm going to bring half myself to work and it's going to be the political side and I'm not going to share any of this or that.

AI assessment note: “I think it's, it's fine, and it's worth it to bring your full self”

Q What led to that, though, that challenge in morale, that challenge in culture? Was it just that company performance, or do you think there were more deliberate things that you maybe didn't do or that could have been done to maintain and sustain culture and morale?

A Well, one thing that comes to mind is something that I did do when I got back, and it wasn't there since the beginning, but there was something that still pushed the team and pushed the team, and people just believed in Twitter who worked there. But then, the more that folks came in, and the more of a real big company, it seemed, and where people would come in for their career and then leave, it was harder for folks to go based on faith, given that scenario. And so, what I did when I came in is, is Jack and I hammered out a purpose statement for Twitter. The answer to the question, why do we exist? Because before that, if we asked around at the company, you know, what's the purpose of Twitter's existence? People would say, ah, free speech? Or, you know, or they would just kind of make something up, and it was a different answer for everyone, and when we came up with, we serve the public conversation, folks can argue about whether or not that's a good one, but the idea is that missions can be completed or failed, but purposes endure. You know, Google always had organized the world's information to make it universally accessible. That attracted a certain kind of employee that wanted to do that forever job. It's not something you just, okay, all the world's information is now All arranged, because you keep getting more and more and more, and so we did that, and then what it really…

AI assessment note: “folks came in, and the more of a real big company... harder for folks to go based on faith”

Q discrepancies and debates over kind of being able to bring one's full self to work. You know, Brian Armstrong obviously wrote the Coinbase piece, and, um, Owen said on the show itself, you know, a company's not a democracy. How do you feel about this, and kind of the sentiment, and your own perspective on whether one should or shouldn't be able to bring their full selves to the workplace?

A Well, I mean, I think a lot of people think and say if you, you know, it's a healthier work environment, and you're better at your job if you can bring it. Your full self. There might be downsides, but I do think that companies end up with a personality similar to the way people do, and it's kind of like an emergence. If you don't do anything about it, you could just end up attracting a certain kind of culture for your company. If you take more purposeful steps, then you end up building something that you like, and it's like a personality, so I think it's, it's fine, and it's worth it to bring your full self, and then Be able to do all these things that you can do, but there is a downside, I think, in that, especially if a founder attaches their personally, personality so heavily to the company, then if they leave, what's, they're going to leave a big space there. So at the very least, what they'll need to do is have a long transition period. You know, I think there are trade-offs either way, but I think it would be kind of soulless if everyone just said, I'm going to bring half myself to work and it's going to be the political side and I'm not going to share any of this or that.

AI assessment note: “it would be kind of soulless if everyone just said, I'm going to bring half myself”