Jan 21, 2022 · 40m · 20vc
20VC: How I Lost a $125M Deal with Yahoo by Being Too Honest, The M&A Meeting with Steve Jobs That Did Not Go Well and How U2's Bono Saved The Day For One Tech Startup with Ali Partovi, CEO @ Neo
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Ali Partovi, CEO at Neo, who shares candid operational lessons from his career as a serial entrepreneur and early investor in Dropbox, Uber, and Facebook. Partovi dissects his most infamous negotiation failures with Steve Jobs and Yahoo, details his framework for talent acquisition, and outlines strategies for maintaining radical focus in startup leadership.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 29.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 3.5 Guest teaching 3.6 Guest disagreement 1.6 Harry pushing back 3.2
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 5:56 Guest rejects lowering hiring bar for convenience
Ali firmly pushes back against the premise that early-stage startups should compromise on candidate quality just to put bums on seats, insisting that bad early hires lead to catastrophic outcomes.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 23:42 Host defends VC humility against guest generalizationHarry directly interrupts Ali's characterization of VCs exhibiting hubris, calling the statement desperately unfair and insisting that most VCs are humble.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 21:31 Reframing negotiation strength vs misleading leverageAli educates Harry on the distinction between showing true negotiation strength through firm pricing bounds versus using deceptive tactics or manufactured options.
Harry holds his own ▶ 21:03 Host challenges guest on standard negotiation tacticsHarry utilizes his deal-making knowledge to query why Ali's walk-away attempt failed with Steve Jobs despite following standard negotiation playbooks on creating option leverage.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Genesis of Neo and the Value of Betting on Young Talent | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks a foundational opening question about Ali's transition from operating to founding Neo. Ali shares the origin story of Neo and a lesson from his early startup on betting on young talent like Alfred Lin. | |
| The Debate on Hiring Bars and Early Team Composition | 5 | 4 | 3 | 5 | Harry challenges Ali by bringing up listener pushback regarding keeping hiring bars extremely high when startups just need bums on seats. Ali maintains that holding out for top talent is essential despite the short-term pain, citing Dropbox's early hiring strategy. | |
| Developing Talent Evaluation Skills and Learning from Mike Moritz | 3 | 5 | 1 | 2 | Harry asks how to evaluate non-sales technical talent where charisma is lacking. Ali recounts learning talent detection directly from Sequoia's Mike Moritz during early board interviews. | |
| How Being Too Honest Cost a $125 Million Yahoo Acquisition | 2 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Ali relates how over-praising ViaWeb founders Paul Graham and Trevor Blackwell over drinks with Jerry Yang cost him a $125M acquisition deal with Yahoo. Harry prompts reflection on founder impatience and takeaways. | |
| Navigating Investor FOMO and Building Core Conviction | 5 | 4 | 2 | 5 | Harry asks about managing investor FOMO, and Ali discusses Neo's engineering recruitment moat. Ali then shares his encounter with Steve Jobs at Apple, where a posture of false leverage blew up acquisition talks. | |
| Negotiation Strategy: Genuine Strength vs. Posturing and Misdirection | 5 | 4 | 3 | 7 | Harry presses Ali on standard negotiation wisdom requiring leverage and walk-away posturing. Harry then directly pushes back when Ali generalizes that most VCs exhibit hubris. | |
| Anti-Portfolio Misses: PayPal, Google, and Airbnb | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Ali shares notable anti-portfolio misses including Max Levchin at PayPal, Craig Silverstein at Google, and Brian Chesky at Airbnb, attributing early passes to misjudging business models over founder talent. | |
| Facing Down the Music Industry with Bono's Support | 2 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Ali tells the story of iLike's confrontation with Jimmy Iovine and Universal Music over a U2 video release, emphasizing how fear can lead founders to make compromised decisions. | |
| Overcoming Fear, Radical Focus, and Founders Raising Outside Funds | 6 | 2 | 2 | 5 | Harry voices a strong critique of venture-backed founders raising third-party investment funds on the side while running their startups. Ali strongly agrees with Harry's perspective on focus. | |
| Quickfire Round: Books, Weaknesses, VC Dynamics, and CoProcure | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | A fast-paced quickfire round covering favorite books, personal weaknesses, preemptive fundraising rounds, and high-potential portfolio company CoProcure. |
Statements from this episode (26)
Partovi: A startup's first 5-10 hires determine the next 100
“I realized that the people we hired made the difference between success and failure, and the first five or 10 are most important because they hire the next 50 to a hundred.”
Partovi: Raw talent and potential matter more than resume experience
“Talent is more important than experience. I mean, they're both important, but if you have to choose, I would always rather bet on a brilliant, hardworking young person and their potential to Then somebody who has the resume and the experience, but may not have…”
Candidates with minor interview flaws almost always turn out to be terrible
“It means your smaller team needs to work harder until you find the right people, and so, of course, there's a point at which you might need to make a compromise, but I've always found that if you're interviewing someone, and you're like, ah, They're not quite …”
Partovi: Dropbox spent over a year recruiting Head of Engineering Aditya Agarwal
“It took more than a year to convince Aditya Agarwal to join as a head of engineering, for example.”
Partovi: Dropbox hosted intern Parents Weekend to convince family members
“Dropbox did a lot of innovation in terms of their intern program. For example, they had a parents weekend where they would invite the parents of the interns to come just so that they would feel comfortable.”
Partovi: Most venture capitalists are not good at recruiting for founders
“Most VCs are not good at that, and regardless, I don't want anyone, including myself, to be a crutch.”
Partovi: Investor helpfulness naturally experiences exponential decay over time
“Any investor or mentor or advisor is going to have some sort of, you know, exponential decay in how helpful they can be because hopefully the founders and their executive team over time become greater than we are.”
Sequoia's Mike Moritz joined LinkExchange candidate interviews multiple times a week
“And our lead investor was Sequoia and Mike Moritz was on our board and would come multiple times a week to our office and join us in these interviews.”
Partovi personally pitched nearly every early hire at Vanta and Kalshi
“In almost all my portfolio companies, if I didn't source their early recruits, I certainly helped close them. At companies like Vanta, Kalshi, Copercure, I think not a single person they hired was without a phone call, at least from me, to help convince them t…”
LinkExchange received a $125 million acquisition term sheet from Yahoo
“We received a term sheet from Yahoo for them to acquire my company. It was a hundred and twenty five million dollar acquisition”
Partovi: Do not drink alcohol during major business discussions
“Do not drink when you're having major business discussions.”
Partovi believes Apple's iLike acquisition would have succeeded if he remained passive
“I keep thinking back that if I had just done nothing, things would probably have been fine.”
Steve Jobs offered to acquire iLike for $50 million in 2008
“Basically, we had raised money two years earlier for fifty million dollars, and he offered to acquire the company Four or fifty million dollars, so basically no change in valuation since our pre-launch, you know, fundraise,”
Partovi: Negotiation strength comes from firm walkaway limits, not fake leverage
“Now, to be strong without misleading, all you need to do is to say, I won't accept that. You don't need to say why. You don't need to make implications for, I have a better offer or I don't. If you simply say, we won't do it for less than X, that's strength.”
Partovi: VC strategy focuses on generational founders over business plan flaws
“Rather than trying to poke holes in their business idea, I'm trying to figure out, is this person the next Bill Gates, or the next Mark Zuckerberg, and if they are, let me just step out of the way and not mess it up, just try to support them to achieve their p…”
Partovi passed on PayPal despite recognizing Max Levchin's genius
“At my first startup, LinkExchange, we had this brilliant contractor who was younger than us, so I was 25, Max Lefton was 22, and when we sold our company, he left to start PayPal. We all knew Max was, like, just a whole next-level brilliance. I mean, when he w…”
Partovi passed on Google in 1999 due to competitive hubris
“One of my smartest friends from Harvard, Craig Silverstein, was probably the top guy in our CS program. He and my brother and I were probably always vying for which of us is the best coder in the Harvard class of 94 in computer science, and it was probably Cra…”
Partovi passed on early Airbnb pitch, later invested at higher valuation
“I didn't invest in Airbnb the first time I met Brian. Brian was hustling because Airbnb was, this was pretty early on. I was at lunch with somebody else. I was having lunch with a Wall Street Journal reporter, Rob Guth, and Brian was at the table next to us. A…”
Partovi: Defying Universal Music in 2007 would have risked iLike's existence
“I wish we had not folded. I wish we had stayed Strong basically told them to go fuck themselves. That would have risked our entire company.”
Partovi: Startup success requires embracing risk rather than constantly de-risking
“But the big learning for me is that I think success in tech requires maintaining courage, no matter how terrified you are. And I think sometimes you have to go all in, even if you feel you have a losing hand. The path that I would say I took a lot as a founder…”
Partovi: Startup CEOs must focus on one thing instead of diversifying
“If you are a CEO, diversification should not be at all what you do. You should be a hundred percent concentrated on one thing”
Partovi: Active startup CEOs cannot successfully run side venture funds
“I'm deeply skeptical of somebody who is a CEO of a startup being able to also run anything else.”
Partovi: Founder-investors earn higher returns angel investing personal capital over managing funds
“If you are a great angel investor as a founder, you can probably make more money just in angel investing. Why would you want to dilute your possibilities by taking on other money?”
Partovi: The 'us versus them' founder-VC dynamic is unhealthy and false
“If there was one thing I would change, it's the us versus them attitude between founders and VCs. It's, I touched on this just earlier. I think it's just false. You know, it's an unhealthy, false implication that these are two different species, or that the go…”
Partovi: Existing investors participating at fair market value signals company strength
“So I'm of the old school that letting your existing investors invest more is the best way to build a company. Not just to serve your old investors, it signals to everybody else what a great relationship you have and makes other people want to invest. But I wou…”
Partovi: CoProcure could become the largest female-led company of all time
“An investment of mine that I'm super excited about. And I don't know if this will ever be a household name because it's a B to B type business, but it's a company called co-procure. I think it has a potential to be, could be the largest female led Company of a…”