Feb 8, 2021 · 44m · 20vc

20VC: Aleph's Michael Eisenberg on Why Generalists Over Specialists, Why Boutique Smaller Firms Over Multi-Stage Firms, Portfolio Construction Theory, Capital Concentration Limits and How To Think Through Reserve Allocations with Market Cycles in Mind?

Michael Eisenberg · 31m spoken Harry Stebbings · 11m spoken
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Michael Eisenberg, co-founder of Aleph, discussing venture capital portfolio strategy, boutique versus multi-stage firm structures, and navigating market cycles. Eisenberg details his generalist investment philosophy, board governance, and how embracing uncertainty guides both venture investing and personal life.

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Harry as informed peer 4.1 Guest teaching 4.5 Guest disagreement 2.5 Harry pushing back 2.5
05100:0015:0030:002:35–7:26 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Michael Eisenberg's Early Career and Founding Aleph Harry welcomes Michael warmly and asks about his unconventional path into venture capital and founding Aleph. Michael details his early career in Israel, Montgomery Securities, Benchmark Israel, and his core motivation to create jobs.7:26–12:17 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Navigating Market Cycles and Managing Reserves Harry cites Josh Koppelman's perspective that market busts make investors conservative. Michael rejects the premise, explaining that market downturns actually made him more aggressive because innovation remains constant while capital becomes scarce.12:17–16:45 · Harry as informed peer 6/10 Capital Efficiency, Long-Duration Assets, and Market Shifts Harry pushes back on the initial pandemic playbook, questioning whether advising founders to be lean and capital-efficient was wrong in hindsight given the market boom. Michael breaks down zero-interest rates, expanding TAMs, and technology becoming long-duration assets.16:45–21:54 · Harry as informed peer 5/10 Risk vs. Uncertainty and Portfolio Construction Theory Harry introduces the concept of risk versus uncertainty and asks if uncertainty favors portfolio diversification. Michael dismisses 'diversification' as corporate jargon poorly applied to venture, emphasizing instead taking concentrated 'shots on goal' with outlier founders.21:54–26:40 · Harry as informed peer 6/10 Small Boutique Funds vs. Multi-Stage Firms and Generalist Mindset Harry cites Founders Fund partner Brian Singerman regarding capital concentration limits driving mediocre returns. Michael clarifies that Singerman's logic applies to multi-billion dollar funds, whereas boutique early-stage funds like Aleph maximize returns by staying small and acting as true company builders.26:40–30:36 · Harry as informed peer 5/10 Price Sensitivity and Board Governance Dynamics Harry brings up valuation sensitivity and quotes Bill Gurley describing Michael as a dogged board member. Michael shares lessons learned from Bruce Dunleavy on board governance and influencing founders to reach their own conclusions.30:36–38:44 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Managing FOMO, Family Life, and Embracing Uncertainty Harry asks how Michael manages time and priorities while raising eight children. Michael forcefully rejects the concept of work-life balance as a flawed cultural pursuit, arguing that life is never in balance and requires embracing uncertainty.38:44–42:31 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Quickfire Round: Books, Writing, and Recent Investments In a quickfire round, Michael cites the Bible as his favorite book due to its unmatched active users and timeless wisdom, advocates for relationship-driven VC over transactional deals, and discusses his investment in Melio.2:35–7:26 · Guest teaching 2/10 Michael Eisenberg's Early Career and Founding Aleph Harry welcomes Michael warmly and asks about his unconventional path into venture capital and founding Aleph. Michael details his early career in Israel, Montgomery Securities, Benchmark Israel, and his core motivation to create jobs.7:26–12:17 · Guest teaching 5/10 Navigating Market Cycles and Managing Reserves Harry cites Josh Koppelman's perspective that market busts make investors conservative. Michael rejects the premise, explaining that market downturns actually made him more aggressive because innovation remains constant while capital becomes scarce.12:17–16:45 · Guest teaching 6/10 Capital Efficiency, Long-Duration Assets, and Market Shifts Harry pushes back on the initial pandemic playbook, questioning whether advising founders to be lean and capital-efficient was wrong in hindsight given the market boom. Michael breaks down zero-interest rates, expanding TAMs, and technology becoming long-duration assets.16:45–21:54 · Guest teaching 6/10 Risk vs. Uncertainty and Portfolio Construction Theory Harry introduces the concept of risk versus uncertainty and asks if uncertainty favors portfolio diversification. Michael dismisses 'diversification' as corporate jargon poorly applied to venture, emphasizing instead taking concentrated 'shots on goal' with outlier founders.21:54–26:40 · Guest teaching 5/10 Small Boutique Funds vs. Multi-Stage Firms and Generalist Mindset Harry cites Founders Fund partner Brian Singerman regarding capital concentration limits driving mediocre returns. Michael clarifies that Singerman's logic applies to multi-billion dollar funds, whereas boutique early-stage funds like Aleph maximize returns by staying small and acting as true company builders.26:40–30:36 · Guest teaching 4/10 Price Sensitivity and Board Governance Dynamics Harry brings up valuation sensitivity and quotes Bill Gurley describing Michael as a dogged board member. Michael shares lessons learned from Bruce Dunleavy on board governance and influencing founders to reach their own conclusions.30:36–38:44 · Guest teaching 5/10 Managing FOMO, Family Life, and Embracing Uncertainty Harry asks how Michael manages time and priorities while raising eight children. Michael forcefully rejects the concept of work-life balance as a flawed cultural pursuit, arguing that life is never in balance and requires embracing uncertainty.38:44–42:31 · Guest teaching 3/10 Quickfire Round: Books, Writing, and Recent Investments In a quickfire round, Michael cites the Bible as his favorite book due to its unmatched active users and timeless wisdom, advocates for relationship-driven VC over transactional deals, and discusses his investment in Melio.2:35–7:26 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Michael Eisenberg's Early Career and Founding Aleph Harry welcomes Michael warmly and asks about his unconventional path into venture capital and founding Aleph. Michael details his early career in Israel, Montgomery Securities, Benchmark Israel, and his core motivation to create jobs.7:26–12:17 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Navigating Market Cycles and Managing Reserves Harry cites Josh Koppelman's perspective that market busts make investors conservative. Michael rejects the premise, explaining that market downturns actually made him more aggressive because innovation remains constant while capital becomes scarce.12:17–16:45 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Capital Efficiency, Long-Duration Assets, and Market Shifts Harry pushes back on the initial pandemic playbook, questioning whether advising founders to be lean and capital-efficient was wrong in hindsight given the market boom. Michael breaks down zero-interest rates, expanding TAMs, and technology becoming long-duration assets.16:45–21:54 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Risk vs. Uncertainty and Portfolio Construction Theory Harry introduces the concept of risk versus uncertainty and asks if uncertainty favors portfolio diversification. Michael dismisses 'diversification' as corporate jargon poorly applied to venture, emphasizing instead taking concentrated 'shots on goal' with outlier founders.21:54–26:40 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Small Boutique Funds vs. Multi-Stage Firms and Generalist Mindset Harry cites Founders Fund partner Brian Singerman regarding capital concentration limits driving mediocre returns. Michael clarifies that Singerman's logic applies to multi-billion dollar funds, whereas boutique early-stage funds like Aleph maximize returns by staying small and acting as true company builders.26:40–30:36 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Price Sensitivity and Board Governance Dynamics Harry brings up valuation sensitivity and quotes Bill Gurley describing Michael as a dogged board member. Michael shares lessons learned from Bruce Dunleavy on board governance and influencing founders to reach their own conclusions.30:36–38:44 · Guest disagreement 4/10 Managing FOMO, Family Life, and Embracing Uncertainty Harry asks how Michael manages time and priorities while raising eight children. Michael forcefully rejects the concept of work-life balance as a flawed cultural pursuit, arguing that life is never in balance and requires embracing uncertainty.38:44–42:31 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Quickfire Round: Books, Writing, and Recent Investments In a quickfire round, Michael cites the Bible as his favorite book due to its unmatched active users and timeless wisdom, advocates for relationship-driven VC over transactional deals, and discusses his investment in Melio.2:35–7:26 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Michael Eisenberg's Early Career and Founding Aleph Harry welcomes Michael warmly and asks about his unconventional path into venture capital and founding Aleph. Michael details his early career in Israel, Montgomery Securities, Benchmark Israel, and his core motivation to create jobs.7:26–12:17 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Navigating Market Cycles and Managing Reserves Harry cites Josh Koppelman's perspective that market busts make investors conservative. Michael rejects the premise, explaining that market downturns actually made him more aggressive because innovation remains constant while capital becomes scarce.12:17–16:45 · Harry pushing back 6/10 Capital Efficiency, Long-Duration Assets, and Market Shifts Harry pushes back on the initial pandemic playbook, questioning whether advising founders to be lean and capital-efficient was wrong in hindsight given the market boom. Michael breaks down zero-interest rates, expanding TAMs, and technology becoming long-duration assets.16:45–21:54 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Risk vs. Uncertainty and Portfolio Construction Theory Harry introduces the concept of risk versus uncertainty and asks if uncertainty favors portfolio diversification. Michael dismisses 'diversification' as corporate jargon poorly applied to venture, emphasizing instead taking concentrated 'shots on goal' with outlier founders.21:54–26:40 · Harry pushing back 4/10 Small Boutique Funds vs. Multi-Stage Firms and Generalist Mindset Harry cites Founders Fund partner Brian Singerman regarding capital concentration limits driving mediocre returns. Michael clarifies that Singerman's logic applies to multi-billion dollar funds, whereas boutique early-stage funds like Aleph maximize returns by staying small and acting as true company builders.26:40–30:36 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Price Sensitivity and Board Governance Dynamics Harry brings up valuation sensitivity and quotes Bill Gurley describing Michael as a dogged board member. Michael shares lessons learned from Bruce Dunleavy on board governance and influencing founders to reach their own conclusions.30:36–38:44 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Managing FOMO, Family Life, and Embracing Uncertainty Harry asks how Michael manages time and priorities while raising eight children. Michael forcefully rejects the concept of work-life balance as a flawed cultural pursuit, arguing that life is never in balance and requires embracing uncertainty.38:44–42:31 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Quickfire Round: Books, Writing, and Recent Investments In a quickfire round, Michael cites the Bible as his favorite book due to its unmatched active users and timeless wisdom, advocates for relationship-driven VC over transactional deals, and discusses his investment in Melio.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 92.7% · guest 7.3%0:00 · Harry 92.7% · guest 7.3%3:00 · Harry 7.1% · guest 92.9%3:00 · Harry 7.1% · guest 92.9%6:00 · Harry 23.6% · guest 76.4%6:00 · Harry 23.6% · guest 76.4%9:00 · Harry 10.1% · guest 89.9%9:00 · Harry 10.1% · guest 89.9%12:00 · Harry 20.7% · guest 79.3%12:00 · Harry 20.7% · guest 79.3%15:00 · Harry 9.2% · guest 90.8%15:00 · Harry 9.2% · guest 90.8%18:00 · Harry 20.9% · guest 79.1%18:00 · Harry 20.9% · guest 79.1%21:00 · Harry 28.6% · guest 71.4%21:00 · Harry 28.6% · guest 71.4%24:00 · Harry 25.5% · guest 74.5%24:00 · Harry 25.5% · guest 74.5%27:00 · Harry 10.3% · guest 89.7%27:00 · Harry 10.3% · guest 89.7%30:00 · Harry 16.1% · guest 83.9%30:00 · Harry 16.1% · guest 83.9%33:00 · Harry 20% · guest 80%33:00 · Harry 20% · guest 80%36:00 · Harry 19.1% · guest 80.9%36:00 · Harry 19.1% · guest 80.9%39:00 · Harry 11.6% · guest 88.4%39:00 · Harry 11.6% · guest 88.4%42:00 · Harry 84.9% · guest 15.1%42:00 · Harry 84.9% · guest 15.1%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 34:48 Rejection of work-life balance construct

Michael strongly rejects mainstream cultural consensus, declaring work-life balance a flawed pursuit and a failure of modern culture because life is inherently unbalanced.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 13:36 Challenging capital efficiency advice

Harry directly presses Michael on whether advising portfolio founders to preserve cash and be capital-efficient at the start of COVID was fundamentally wrong given the ensuing market rally.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:40 Explaining long-duration assets and macro shifts

Michael breaks down how zero interest rates and technology shifting into long-duration assets completely broke traditional DCF valuation models for global asset managers.

Harry holds his own ▶ 21:54 Citing Founders Fund concentration thesis

Harry uses specific institutional knowledge regarding Founders Fund's investment thesis on capital concentration limits to challenge Michael on fund sizing and strategy.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Michael Eisenberg's Early Career and Founding Aleph 2200 Harry welcomes Michael warmly and asks about his unconventional path into venture capital and founding Aleph. Michael details his early career in Israel, Montgomery Securities, Benchmark Israel, and his core motivation to create jobs.
Navigating Market Cycles and Managing Reserves 4532 Harry cites Josh Koppelman's perspective that market busts make investors conservative. Michael rejects the premise, explaining that market downturns actually made him more aggressive because innovation remains constant while capital becomes scarce.
Capital Efficiency, Long-Duration Assets, and Market Shifts 6626 Harry pushes back on the initial pandemic playbook, questioning whether advising founders to be lean and capital-efficient was wrong in hindsight given the market boom. Michael breaks down zero-interest rates, expanding TAMs, and technology becoming long-duration assets.
Risk vs. Uncertainty and Portfolio Construction Theory 5643 Harry introduces the concept of risk versus uncertainty and asks if uncertainty favors portfolio diversification. Michael dismisses 'diversification' as corporate jargon poorly applied to venture, emphasizing instead taking concentrated 'shots on goal' with outlier founders.
Small Boutique Funds vs. Multi-Stage Firms and Generalist Mindset 6534 Harry cites Founders Fund partner Brian Singerman regarding capital concentration limits driving mediocre returns. Michael clarifies that Singerman's logic applies to multi-billion dollar funds, whereas boutique early-stage funds like Aleph maximize returns by staying small and acting as true company builders.
Price Sensitivity and Board Governance Dynamics 5422 Harry brings up valuation sensitivity and quotes Bill Gurley describing Michael as a dogged board member. Michael shares lessons learned from Bruce Dunleavy on board governance and influencing founders to reach their own conclusions.
Managing FOMO, Family Life, and Embracing Uncertainty 3542 Harry asks how Michael manages time and priorities while raising eight children. Michael forcefully rejects the concept of work-life balance as a flawed cultural pursuit, arguing that life is never in balance and requires embracing uncertainty.
Quickfire Round: Books, Writing, and Recent Investments 2321 In a quickfire round, Michael cites the Bible as his favorite book due to its unmatched active users and timeless wisdom, advocates for relationship-driven VC over transactional deals, and discusses his investment in Melio.

Statements from this episode (16)

Assertion Not checkable as stated
Benchmark partners all invested in Michael Eisenberg's Aleph at launch
“My agreement when Benchmark, as Peter Fenton has so famously said, decided to get out of the imperial era of venture capital and focus locally, the partners at Benchmark were super supportive and went out on my own, so to speak, found a partner, Eden Shohat, a…”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 5:31
Insight
Early-stage VCs must maintain a steady investment pace through market busts
“But it turns out that the best time to invest is when it busts. And so you need to maintain a constant investment pace, no matter what the external circumstances are around the bust in early stage venture capital.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 8:28
Disclosure
Aleph remains a single-stage fund to avoid multi-stage signaling risks
“We are a single stage, basically C to A fund. We're not doing the big, big fund with the multi-stage thing where I think you have a lot more risks around reserves and around signaling risk when times go get bad.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 10:19
Disclosure
Aleph doubled down on travel startup BookAway during the COVID-19 crash
“We have a company in the travel space that was Slaughtered by COVID. We got a pile of money reserved for it. We plowed in. We think this is going to come back, and when everyone else was not there, we are. And I think that's enabled us to be nimble. A company …”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 11:52
Insight
Overcapitalizing lean founders causes them to explode, says Michael Eisenberg
“When you overstuff founders who are better at lean with capital, they explode. And conversely, if you've got guys who can press on the gas and play the game on the field when everyone's got capital, you ought to load them up.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 13:24
Opinion
Eisenberg: Lemonade proved insurance is fundamentally a technology business
“So no one invested in insurance before and called it a tech investment, but lemonade has proven that insurance is really technology at the end of the day.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 14:10
Insight
Tech companies have become long-duration assets like bonds, argues Eisenberg
“But the second thing is technology has become a long duration asset, which it never was before. So you used to think of bonds as long duration assets or Refrigerators is long duration assets. Houses. But now people look at Amazon and go, whoa, 30 years plus so…”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 15:06
Insight
Venture funds should target 15 to 25 portfolio companies, says Eisenberg
“In the venture business, I think about it as shots on goal, which is a portfolio should have somewhere between 15 and 25, call it, shots on goal.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 18:25
Insight
Traditional portfolio diversification theory fails in venture capital, argues Eisenberg
“Kind of traditional notions of portfolio diversification, which is where I think diversity comes from, are poorly applied in venture.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 19:36
Insight
Eisenberg: Partner time, not money, is a VC's most precious commodity
“And the reason you need to stay small and focused is your most precious commodity is not your money. It's your time.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 23:11
Insight
Domain specialization blinds venture investors to disruptive insights, argues Eisenberg
“When we think we're specialists, we think we know a lot about something. If you think you know a lot about something, you have really expert questions, so to speak, to ask a lot of the founders. But my guess is if you were that knowledgeable in And specialized…”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 24:26
Disclosure
Aleph took half of Lemonade's $13 million seed round
“It's a thirteen million dollar seed round. We put six and a half in the term sheet.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 25:49
Opinion
Benchmark's Bruce Dunleavy is the biggest gentleman in venture capital
“The guy is the biggest gentleman and mensch in this business by a long shot, and has unbelievable wisdom.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 28:09
Insight
Aleph's motto: being different is better than being better
“Our motto at Olive is different is better than better. Everything we do should be different, not better. Everything our companies should do should be different and not better.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 32:26
Insight
Work-life balance is a failure of modern culture, argues Michael Eisenberg
“I've actually never, ever thought about work-life balance. I don't believe in it. I think it's a failure of modern culture to seek work-life balance.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 34:53
Disclosure
Aleph's last seven investments were all made in stealth mode
“The last seven investments I've made are all in stealth.”
Michael Eisenberg Feb 8, 2021 ▶ 41:12
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