Feb 25, 2019 · 33m · 20vc
20VC: a16z Partner Frank Chen on The Future of Car Ownership, Whether The High Employee Attrition Rate in The Valley Is A Feature or A Bug & His Biggest Lessons From Netscape, Loudcloud & Opsware
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, Andreessen Horowitz Partner Frank Chen joins host Harry Stebbings to discuss operational lessons from Netscape and Opsware, Silicon Valley employee attrition, enterprise AI adoption, and how autonomous vehicles will reshape car ownership and urban design.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 34% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 2.4 Guest teaching 3.4 Guest disagreement 1.6 Harry pushing back 1.0
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 29:16 Dismissing the 'build it and they will come' dogma
Frank forcefully rejects the popular Silicon Valley bias that building a great product is sufficient, arguing that building a distribution channel is equally difficult and far too frequently neglected.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 13:57 Harry brings up Aaron Van De Vende's AI scam claimHarry directly challenges the AI hype by citing Founders Fund partner Aaron Van De Vende's claim that most AI is merely a rebranded marketing scam over traditional statistics.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 20:09 Frank explains skill atrophy in semi-autonomous drivingFrank educates the host on why partial driver assistance is inherently dangerous, citing aviation history where autopilot routine leads to pilot skill atrophy when sudden manual intervention is needed.
Harry holds his own ▶ 13:57 Harry cites guest quotes to challenge AI narrativeHarry demonstrates active domain knowledge by bringing up specific contrarian arguments and quotes from industry peers regarding data sets and AI terminology relabeling.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Frank Chen's Path to Venture & Lessons from Netscape and Opsware | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | Harry introduces Frank and asks basic open-ended background questions about his career path and lessons from working with Ben Horowitz and Mark Andreessen. Frank explains why building durable companies is hard and highlights the underrated value of loyalty during tough times. | |
| Employee Attrition in Silicon Valley: Feature or Bug? | 5 | 5 | 2 | 3 | Harry presses with concrete statistics on employee attrition and quotes Aaron Van De Vende on AI being a scam. Frank reframes attrition as both a feature and a bug, and counterbalances the skepticism around AI by distinguishing deep learning from reinforcement learning and citing real-world enterprise adoption rates. | |
| Autonomous Vehicles and New Ownership Models | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1 | Harry asks about autonomous vehicle ownership structures and whether deployment will be evolutionary or binary. Frank breaks down per-mile operational economics and argues against evolutionary driver-assist due to human skill atrophy. | |
| Reimagining City Design and Infrastructure | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks how established cities with heavy concrete infrastructure can transition to autonomous models. Frank outlines the gradual repurposing of parking lots, car dealerships, and government transit offices. | |
| Quickfire Round with Frank Chen | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | Harry runs through quickfire questions on books, venture challenges, and bad advice. Frank pushes back against the conventional Silicon Valley belief that building a great product alone guarantees success without distribution. |
Statements from this episode (14)
Chen: High employee attrition makes building startups significantly harder
“Having people leave every 18 months, that's not good for your company. And so I learned a lot about how to inspire loyalty and certainly taught me a lot about staying in place when things didn't look like they were going well, because it's hard enough building…”
Stebbings: Average employee tenure in Silicon Valley is 1.4 years
“In the Valley, it's apparently 1.4 years average duration at a company today.”
Chen: Academics credit employee mobility for Silicon Valley beating Boston's Route 128
“And actually academics who have studied why Silicon Valley beat route one, 28 in Boston, they will point to this as a feature, which is in Boston. You basically settled in a deck or Lotus, and you basically spent your entire career there.”
NeurIPS AI research conference tickets sold out in 11 minutes
“The biggest AI conference for researchers is called the Neuroinformation Processing Symposium. This year, it's sold out in a little over 11 minutes.”
Accenture CTO: Enterprise AI adoption is faster than internet or mobile transitions
“If you talk to Paul Doherty, who is the CTO of Accenture, and he's been at Accenture for three decades, he says he's never seen anything grow this fast inside big businesses, right? So if you think about headcount, think about budget, like any metric you can t…”
Chen: More white-collar jobs were created post-spreadsheet than in prior decades
“We've actually created more white collar jobs post the spreadsheet than we have in the decades before.”
Chen: Urban and suburban residents will stop owning private cars
“Yeah, I think that in most urban and most suburban settings, people will stop owning their cars.”
Chen: Legacy automakers will fail to transition into fleet operators
“I actually expect most of the manufacturers to not be able to make that transition, because if you think about every bonus that has ever been paid out at a car manufacturer, it's because you designed a car that people really wanted the three series.”
Chen: Driver-assist features will be phased out for full autonomy
“So I think from a skill atrophy point of view, and from an attention point of view, we're in this transition phase where all this driver assist Is going to get phased out in favor of complete driving.”
Chen: Software and electronics will reach 50% of vehicle cost
“I think you're going to see, you know, half the price of a car go to hardware and software.”
Chen: Autonomous vehicles will eliminate urban parking lots
“First, all the parking lots can go away because the cars will constantly be in motion. The fleet operators will need that to drive the efficiency and utilization out of their cars, and so if the car is not carrying you, it's carrying goods, and if it's not car…”
Chen: 14% of land in Los Angeles is dedicated to parking lots
“Today, 14% of all land in Los Angeles is parking lots”
Chen: Car dealerships will vanish from inner cities
“Therefore, car dealerships are going to start vanishing from inner cities.”
Chen: Fintech ML found gambling apps correlate with better credit risk
“It turns out if you have gambling applications, you're a better credit risk. And I think if you had asked a million loan officers if they would have predicted that, they would have a million out of a million times said, no, of course, that makes you a worse cr…”