Jun 17, 2016 · 24m · 20vc
20VC: Raising $150m, Meeting Yuri Milner & Revolutionising Mobile Finance with Sasha Orloff @ LendUp
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews LendUp co-founder and CEO Sasha Orloff about transitioning from corporate venture capital to startup founder, raising $150 million, and designing mobile credit products for underbanked Americans.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 27.4% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 2.0 Guest teaching 2.6 Guest disagreement 0.9 Harry pushing back 1.4
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 9:47 Addressing 'Always Be Raising' Dogma
Sasha mildly counters Harry's suggestion that founders should always be raising by explaining how YC insulates entrepreneurs to prioritize product development.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 9:47 Challenging YC Focus with 'Always Be Raising'Harry directly challenges the premise of exclusive product focus by citing Mark Suster's prominent 'Always Be Raising' founder doctrine.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:48 Explaining Structural Weaknesses of Legacy BanksSasha educates Harry on why legacy banks struggle to serve underbanked consumers due to outsourced tech stacks and physical branch overhead.
Harry holds his own ▶ 9:47 Citing Suster's Fundraising FrameworkHarry demonstrates domain familiarity by introducing Mark Suster's counter-framework on continuous startup fundraising.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Welcoming Sasha Orloff and Tracing His Journey to VC | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Harry opens with standard background questions regarding Sasha's path from VC to founding LendUp. He follows up lightly by asking whether Sasha agrees that failing as an entrepreneur in Silicon Valley is seen as a medal of honor. Sasha politely elaborates on learning through failure. | |
| Leaving VC Security and the Primacy of Execution | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks about transitioning from VC security to founding and asks what key operational traits Sasha carried over. Sasha emphasizes that execution matters far more than just having good ideas. The exchange remains conversational and highly collaborative. | |
| Entrepreneurship Timing, Family Support, and Y Combinator | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Harry inquires about the timing of starting a business relative to age and family obligations. Sasha shares his personal journey and highlights Y Combinator's core takeaway of focusing on writing code and speaking to users. Harry listens without pushing back. | |
| Navigating YC Demo Day and Assembling Value-Add Investors | 3 | 3 | 2 | 3 | Harry introduces a slight counter-perspective by contrasting YC focus with Mark Suster's 'Always Be Raising' principle. Sasha reframes this by showing how YC compresses fundraising into Demo Day so founders can prioritize building. Sasha then details the specific domain expertise he sought from angel investors. | |
| Stage-by-Stage Fundraising Dynamics and Core Market Vision | 3 | 4 | 1 | 3 | Harry asks whether selling a vision without early traction makes fundraising harder. Sasha explains how pre-traction fundraising relies on selling big market vision, then breaks down legacy bank shortcomings such as outsourced software and branch dependence. Harry drives the conversation directly into core fintech topics. | |
| Financial Collaboration Models and Tailoring UX for Underbanked Users | 3 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Harry questions if incumbent banks will be replaced or partnered with, and asks whether UI/UX must be simplified for underbanked users. Sasha details why banks will collaborate and contrasts the financial UX needs of high-net-worth individuals versus underbanked users. | |
| Rapid-Fire Insights: Books, Advice, Culture, and Highlights | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Harry conducts a quick rapid-fire round covering book recommendations, key learnings, company culture, and career highlights. Sasha gives brief answers about LendUp's growth and vision, leading to a friendly sign-off. |
Statements from this episode (14)
LendUp raised $150 million in January 2016
“LendUp raised an incredible hundred and fifty million dollars in January, 2016, according to the trusty PE Hub, from the likes of SV Angel, Yuri Milner, our friends at Sousa Ventures with Chad Byers, who I've got to thank for making the intro today, and then G…”
Orloff: Venture capitalists are either deal-flow selectors or hypothesis-driven
“And one of the parts of venture capital I think there's sort of two types of venture capitalists. There's one that just has all their deal flow and they get to pick and choose their deals. And there's others that have to be more hypothesis driven.”
Orloff: Failed founders learn more than employees at successful startups
“But I think, and I see now as a CEO of a fast growing company that I like entrepreneurs, even if they failed, because you learn so much through the failing process even more so than I think just being a contributor towards the success of Or just another compan…”
Orloff: Managing hundreds of millions as a VC is an easy job
“Having a pretty cushy job where you're paid pretty well to listen to exciting, inspiring people come pitch you on ideas, and you're managing hundreds of millions of dollars. In our case, that's, it's a pretty easy job.”
Orloff: Traditional banks cannot adapt to mobile and regulatory shifts in consumer behavior
“Sort of over the course of the 18 months at City Ventures, I was building more and more conviction about this idea that between mobile and regulatory and software changes that banks were not going to be able to adapt to the changing consumer behavior and chang…”
Orloff: Took zero salary starting LendUp while wife funded living expenses
“I started when I was 35. I was in a place where I happened to be married and my wife had a job and she was very supportive given she was about to fund our living expenses when I was making zero money.”
Orloff: Raising capital without traction allows founders to sell pure vision
“It's both sides. It's harder because you have no traction, but it's easier because you have no traction. You get to sell the vision of what you're trying to accomplish.”
Orloff: US underbanked sector expands as shrinking middle class lacks financial bridges
“The United States is a very divided market between the banked, which is and the unbanked and then the sort of payday title pawn markets and there isn't this bridge between the worlds. That's a big and growing market given the shrinking middle class in the Unit…”
Orloff: Traditional banks in the US and globally outsource their software
“Banks in the United States, and I'm, I think all over the world, outsource their software.”
Orloff: LendUp is the only US lender disbursing funds in 3.5 minutes
“We're the only lender in the United States where within three and a half minutes of not knowing anything about you right from your mobile phone, we can underwrite you, make a decision, and put money in your bank account.”
Orloff: LendUp built the only direct Visa and MasterCard mobile integration
“We rebuilt the entire experience for credit card, and we're the only direct connection to Visa and MasterCard directly to your mobile phone.”
Orloff: Traditional banks are the future of finance, not fintech replacements
“So, we're a firm believer that banks are the future, and we can help them.”