May 27, 2016 · 26m · 20vc

20VC: The Information's Jessica Lessin on The Future For Online Journalism & The Benefits Of A Subscription Based Business Model

Jessica Lessin · 17m spoken Harry Stebbings · 7m spoken
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, Jessica Lessin, founder and editor-in-chief of The Information, discusses the state of digital journalism and the strategic power of a subscription business model. She outlines how focusing on deep, original reporting for key industry decision-makers creates a sustainable alternative to ad-driven media platforms.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 29% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Harry as informed peer 2.7 Guest teaching 2.7 Guest disagreement 0.7 Harry pushing back 0.7
05100:0010:0020:001:44–4:03 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Founding The Information & Mission Harry asks standard background questions about founding The Information and takeaways from Jessica's time at the Wall Street Journal. Jessica provides detailed, collaborative answers on her mission and subscription approach.4:03–7:13 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 The Shift Toward Shallow Media Coverage Harry cites Marc Andreessen's statement comparing print journalism quality to blogs and Wikipedia. Jessica gently reframes the premise, educating Harry that quality should be measured by audience utility rather than media format.7:13–10:49 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Profile of The Information's Target Subscriber Harry proposes a narrow reader demographic trope (20 to 35 male San Franciscan) which Jessica gently corrects by detailing their high-level executive subscriber base. Harry shows good industry context by citing Ben Thompson and Ben Evans.10:49–13:29 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Content Creation Strategy & Investigative Reporting Harry asks about investigative reporting strategies versus press release regurgitation. Jessica outlines her team's deep sourcing and subscriber-focused editorial approach.13:30–17:25 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Defining Great Reporting & Journalistic Styles Harry asks what defines a great reporter and why subscriptions are superior to ad models. Jessica details three distinct journalist personas and explains why subscription models align best with editorial integrity.17:26–20:29 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Overcoming Friction in Subscription Onboarding Harry probes whether paywall friction deters onboarding subscribers. Jessica reframes paywall friction as an intentional quality filter for a targeted decision-maker community.20:29–25:12 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Leveraging Email Marketing for Growth Harry moves through email growth strategies and a quickfire round covering books, objectivity, and Snapchat. The tone is highly collaborative and brisk.1:44–4:03 · Guest teaching 1/10 Founding The Information & Mission Harry asks standard background questions about founding The Information and takeaways from Jessica's time at the Wall Street Journal. Jessica provides detailed, collaborative answers on her mission and subscription approach.4:03–7:13 · Guest teaching 5/10 The Shift Toward Shallow Media Coverage Harry cites Marc Andreessen's statement comparing print journalism quality to blogs and Wikipedia. Jessica gently reframes the premise, educating Harry that quality should be measured by audience utility rather than media format.7:13–10:49 · Guest teaching 4/10 Profile of The Information's Target Subscriber Harry proposes a narrow reader demographic trope (20 to 35 male San Franciscan) which Jessica gently corrects by detailing their high-level executive subscriber base. Harry shows good industry context by citing Ben Thompson and Ben Evans.10:49–13:29 · Guest teaching 2/10 Content Creation Strategy & Investigative Reporting Harry asks about investigative reporting strategies versus press release regurgitation. Jessica outlines her team's deep sourcing and subscriber-focused editorial approach.13:30–17:25 · Guest teaching 2/10 Defining Great Reporting & Journalistic Styles Harry asks what defines a great reporter and why subscriptions are superior to ad models. Jessica details three distinct journalist personas and explains why subscription models align best with editorial integrity.17:26–20:29 · Guest teaching 4/10 Overcoming Friction in Subscription Onboarding Harry probes whether paywall friction deters onboarding subscribers. Jessica reframes paywall friction as an intentional quality filter for a targeted decision-maker community.20:29–25:12 · Guest teaching 1/10 Leveraging Email Marketing for Growth Harry moves through email growth strategies and a quickfire round covering books, objectivity, and Snapchat. The tone is highly collaborative and brisk.1:44–4:03 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Founding The Information & Mission Harry asks standard background questions about founding The Information and takeaways from Jessica's time at the Wall Street Journal. Jessica provides detailed, collaborative answers on her mission and subscription approach.4:03–7:13 · Guest disagreement 2/10 The Shift Toward Shallow Media Coverage Harry cites Marc Andreessen's statement comparing print journalism quality to blogs and Wikipedia. Jessica gently reframes the premise, educating Harry that quality should be measured by audience utility rather than media format.7:13–10:49 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Profile of The Information's Target Subscriber Harry proposes a narrow reader demographic trope (20 to 35 male San Franciscan) which Jessica gently corrects by detailing their high-level executive subscriber base. Harry shows good industry context by citing Ben Thompson and Ben Evans.10:49–13:29 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Content Creation Strategy & Investigative Reporting Harry asks about investigative reporting strategies versus press release regurgitation. Jessica outlines her team's deep sourcing and subscriber-focused editorial approach.13:30–17:25 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Defining Great Reporting & Journalistic Styles Harry asks what defines a great reporter and why subscriptions are superior to ad models. Jessica details three distinct journalist personas and explains why subscription models align best with editorial integrity.17:26–20:29 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Overcoming Friction in Subscription Onboarding Harry probes whether paywall friction deters onboarding subscribers. Jessica reframes paywall friction as an intentional quality filter for a targeted decision-maker community.20:29–25:12 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Leveraging Email Marketing for Growth Harry moves through email growth strategies and a quickfire round covering books, objectivity, and Snapchat. The tone is highly collaborative and brisk.1:44–4:03 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Founding The Information & Mission Harry asks standard background questions about founding The Information and takeaways from Jessica's time at the Wall Street Journal. Jessica provides detailed, collaborative answers on her mission and subscription approach.4:03–7:13 · Harry pushing back 2/10 The Shift Toward Shallow Media Coverage Harry cites Marc Andreessen's statement comparing print journalism quality to blogs and Wikipedia. Jessica gently reframes the premise, educating Harry that quality should be measured by audience utility rather than media format.7:13–10:49 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Profile of The Information's Target Subscriber Harry proposes a narrow reader demographic trope (20 to 35 male San Franciscan) which Jessica gently corrects by detailing their high-level executive subscriber base. Harry shows good industry context by citing Ben Thompson and Ben Evans.10:49–13:29 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Content Creation Strategy & Investigative Reporting Harry asks about investigative reporting strategies versus press release regurgitation. Jessica outlines her team's deep sourcing and subscriber-focused editorial approach.13:30–17:25 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Defining Great Reporting & Journalistic Styles Harry asks what defines a great reporter and why subscriptions are superior to ad models. Jessica details three distinct journalist personas and explains why subscription models align best with editorial integrity.17:26–20:29 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Overcoming Friction in Subscription Onboarding Harry probes whether paywall friction deters onboarding subscribers. Jessica reframes paywall friction as an intentional quality filter for a targeted decision-maker community.20:29–25:12 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Leveraging Email Marketing for Growth Harry moves through email growth strategies and a quickfire round covering books, objectivity, and Snapchat. The tone is highly collaborative and brisk.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 71% · guest 29%0:00 · Harry 71% · guest 29%3:00 · Harry 23.2% · guest 76.8%3:00 · Harry 23.2% · guest 76.8%6:00 · Harry 23.3% · guest 76.7%6:00 · Harry 23.3% · guest 76.7%9:00 · Harry 10.1% · guest 89.9%9:00 · Harry 10.1% · guest 89.9%12:00 · Harry 11% · guest 89%12:00 · Harry 11% · guest 89%15:00 · Harry 20.8% · guest 79.2%15:00 · Harry 20.8% · guest 79.2%18:00 · Harry 22.7% · guest 77.3%18:00 · Harry 22.7% · guest 77.3%21:00 · Harry 21.1% · guest 78.9%21:00 · Harry 21.1% · guest 78.9%24:00 · Harry 61.6% · guest 38.4%24:00 · Harry 61.6% · guest 38.4%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 5:35 Reframing Andreessen's quality premise

Jessica directly challenges the premise of Marc Andreessen's comparison between print and blogs, arguing that evaluating quality abstractly without considering target audience utility is flawed.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 5:22 Harry citing Andreessen's critique of journalism

Harry brings up Marc Andreessen's provocative statement that print journalism is converging with Wikipedia and blogs to challenge Jessica's stance on publishing quality.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:32 Dismantling reader demographic assumptions

Jessica corrects Harry's assumption that her target reader is a young San Francisco tech bro, explaining that her subscriber base actually consists of top-tier enterprise executives and tech founders.

Harry holds his own ▶ 8:25 Citing niche media competitors

Harry demonstrates strong domain knowledge of independent tech media by naming specific prominent analysts like Ben Thompson and Ben Evans when framing the market landscape.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Founding The Information & Mission 2100 Harry asks standard background questions about founding The Information and takeaways from Jessica's time at the Wall Street Journal. Jessica provides detailed, collaborative answers on her mission and subscription approach.
The Shift Toward Shallow Media Coverage 4522 Harry cites Marc Andreessen's statement comparing print journalism quality to blogs and Wikipedia. Jessica gently reframes the premise, educating Harry that quality should be measured by audience utility rather than media format.
Profile of The Information's Target Subscriber 4411 Harry proposes a narrow reader demographic trope (20 to 35 male San Franciscan) which Jessica gently corrects by detailing their high-level executive subscriber base. Harry shows good industry context by citing Ben Thompson and Ben Evans.
Content Creation Strategy & Investigative Reporting 2200 Harry asks about investigative reporting strategies versus press release regurgitation. Jessica outlines her team's deep sourcing and subscriber-focused editorial approach.
Defining Great Reporting & Journalistic Styles 2200 Harry asks what defines a great reporter and why subscriptions are superior to ad models. Jessica details three distinct journalist personas and explains why subscription models align best with editorial integrity.
Overcoming Friction in Subscription Onboarding 3422 Harry probes whether paywall friction deters onboarding subscribers. Jessica reframes paywall friction as an intentional quality filter for a targeted decision-maker community.
Leveraging Email Marketing for Growth 2100 Harry moves through email growth strategies and a quickfire round covering books, objectivity, and Snapchat. The tone is highly collaborative and brisk.

Statements from this episode (15)

Opinion
The Wall Street Journal Has Shifted Away From Exclusive Reporting
“And I think the journal and other publications have broadened their focus away from that kind of journalism, but it's something that I've certainly taken from the journal”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 3:43
Assertion Supported
Half of The Information's Early Reporters Came From The WSJ
“Half our reporting team you know, spent decades collectively at the journal as well at the information.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 3:43
Opinion
The Digital Media Industry Is Becoming Increasingly Broad and Shallow
“I think most of it comes down to the fact the industry is getting very broad and shallow. And what I mean by that is there are more publications by the day, but they're all essentially covering the same kind of news for mass audiences.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 4:19
Insight
Media Quality Is Defined by Audience Value, Not the Medium
“Quality isn't something that is abstract. It's based on the value of that information to a particular audience.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 6:30
Assertion Not checkable as stated
All Top 10 U.S. Tech Unicorn Founders Subscribe to The Information
“Our subscribers range from Entrepreneurs who are just starting out on their first Y Combinator company, to executives in the management teams at the most highly valued public tech companies, to 10 out of 10 of the founders of the most highly valued U.S. Privat…”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 7:38
Insight
Media Outlets Compete With All Time-Occupying Content, Including Instagram
“Anything that takes our subscribers time that they find valuable from Instagram to The Economist is in some ways competitive, right? I mean, I think that is actually the bar for anyone in the media business.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 8:49
Insight
Original Tech Journalism Is Not a Zero-Sum Market
“If you're writing stories that have new information about business and technology, it's not like our audience will only read one of those. They literally have a thirst for as much that's valuable to them as humanly possible. It's not like there are only X hour…”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 9:42
Opinion
Digital Publications Waste Great Reporters on Trending Twitter Stories
“So many other publications are having their great reporters spend their time on less than great stories. Again, on these stories that are real-time, regurgitation, written because, you know, they're trending on Twitter, and God forbid a publication doesn't hav…”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 11:57
Insight
Media Companies Lacking Must-Read Content Will Fail Long Term
“And if you're not writing stories that people feel like they have to read, you know, you may get blips and traffic here and there. You may even grow your audience for a couple of years. But you're not going to be around years and years and years from now.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 15:56
Insight
Subscriptions Are the Only Media Model Aligned Purely With Readers
“And I think if you're in a world where you're dependent on advertising, you're going to serve multiple masters. You're going to serve the traffic master, the advertising master. You know, if you're dependent on events, you're going to serve the sponsorship mas…”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 16:23
Insight
Subscription Media Scales on Product Value, Not Sales Capacity
“It's also insanely scalable, right? That doesn't tap out at how, you know, many business development deals you can cut or how many ad packages you can sell, right? It taps out based on the inherent value of the product.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 16:43
Prediction Held up
The Information Will Not Build Products for a Billion-User Audience
“I think if you're writing a publication or building a tech product for a billion people, you know, that's going to look a certain way, and we don't want to build that product.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 17:54
Assertion Not checkable as stated
The Information's Early Growth Was Organic and Eerily Linear
“So actually to date, our growth has been The organic word of mouth side and incredibly linear, sort of eerily linear.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 19:29
Assertion Not checkable as stated
The Information Has 10x More Email Contacts Than Paid Subscribers
“I think, you know, we have orders of magnitude more than emails and we have subscribers right now, maybe one order of magnitude more, just from people who have expressed interest in the information.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 20:42
What-if
Founders Should Make Early Operational Decisions Like Payroll Providers Faster
“I'd make early decisions faster. Sweated a lot of decisions, like what payroll provider to use that Turned out not to be that important. I would have made those a lot faster.”
Jessica Lessin May 27, 2016 ▶ 21:52
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