Jun 18, 2015 · 20m · 20vc

20 VC 046: How VCs Evaluate Investment Opportunities with Alan Chiu, Partner @ XSeed Capital

Alan Chiu · 13m spoken Harry Stebbings · 4m spoken
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Alan Chiu, Partner at XSeed Capital, about how venture capitalists evaluate early-stage seed investments. Chiu shares frameworks on managing technical and market risks, advice on founder-investor alignment, startup pivoting strategies, and the key traits that define elite venture capitalists.

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Harry as informed peer 2.4 Guest teaching 2.7 Guest disagreement 0.4 Harry pushing back 1.0
05100:0010:0020:001:37–3:50 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Alan Chiu's Background and XSeed Capital Overview Harry introduces Alan and prompts him for his personal and professional background. Alan delivers a standard introductory overview of XSeed Capital and his career across Canadian startups and Stanford GSB.3:50–6:30 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Transitioning from Entrepreneurship to Venture Capital Harry asks what brought Alan to VC and asks a follow-up probing whether international venture markets lack Silicon Valley's risk tolerance. Alan politely clarifies that while other ecosystems take risks, they lack the Bay Area's capital density.6:30–9:44 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Evaluating Risk in Seed-Stage Investments Harry prompts Alan on his mental checklist when evaluating seed startups. Alan reframes startup evaluation into technical, execution, and market risks, explaining why XSeed actively seeks high technical risk as a protective moat.9:44–13:13 · Harry as informed peer 4/10 Firm Dynamics and What Founders Should Look For Harry tests industry assumptions by asking whether non-technical co-founders or outsourced product development are dealbreakers. Alan clarifies XSeed's nuanced stance, preferring technical founders while allowing outsourced early prototypes.13:13–15:37 · Harry as informed peer 3/10 Strategic Roadmaps and Executing Effective Pivots Harry asks about product roadmaps and when startups should pivot. Alan educates on the mechanics of good pivots driven by side-traction versus bad pivots caused by hitting a wall and testing randomly.15:37–18:43 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Essential Qualities of Top-Tier Venture Capitalists Harry asks Alan for the key traits of great venture capitalists. Alan outlines talent scouting and knowing when to resist selling early, while Harry interjects to ask for the source of a specific quote.18:46–19:57 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Quickfire Questions and Recent Stealth Deal Harry conducts a quickfire round covering industry disruption, seed funding, and the Apple Watch. Alan takes a decisive stance calling the Apple Watch a clear success despite contemporary market skepticism.1:37–3:50 · Guest teaching 1/10 Alan Chiu's Background and XSeed Capital Overview Harry introduces Alan and prompts him for his personal and professional background. Alan delivers a standard introductory overview of XSeed Capital and his career across Canadian startups and Stanford GSB.3:50–6:30 · Guest teaching 2/10 Transitioning from Entrepreneurship to Venture Capital Harry asks what brought Alan to VC and asks a follow-up probing whether international venture markets lack Silicon Valley's risk tolerance. Alan politely clarifies that while other ecosystems take risks, they lack the Bay Area's capital density.6:30–9:44 · Guest teaching 4/10 Evaluating Risk in Seed-Stage Investments Harry prompts Alan on his mental checklist when evaluating seed startups. Alan reframes startup evaluation into technical, execution, and market risks, explaining why XSeed actively seeks high technical risk as a protective moat.9:44–13:13 · Guest teaching 3/10 Firm Dynamics and What Founders Should Look For Harry tests industry assumptions by asking whether non-technical co-founders or outsourced product development are dealbreakers. Alan clarifies XSeed's nuanced stance, preferring technical founders while allowing outsourced early prototypes.13:13–15:37 · Guest teaching 4/10 Strategic Roadmaps and Executing Effective Pivots Harry asks about product roadmaps and when startups should pivot. Alan educates on the mechanics of good pivots driven by side-traction versus bad pivots caused by hitting a wall and testing randomly.15:37–18:43 · Guest teaching 3/10 Essential Qualities of Top-Tier Venture Capitalists Harry asks Alan for the key traits of great venture capitalists. Alan outlines talent scouting and knowing when to resist selling early, while Harry interjects to ask for the source of a specific quote.18:46–19:57 · Guest teaching 2/10 Quickfire Questions and Recent Stealth Deal Harry conducts a quickfire round covering industry disruption, seed funding, and the Apple Watch. Alan takes a decisive stance calling the Apple Watch a clear success despite contemporary market skepticism.1:37–3:50 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Alan Chiu's Background and XSeed Capital Overview Harry introduces Alan and prompts him for his personal and professional background. Alan delivers a standard introductory overview of XSeed Capital and his career across Canadian startups and Stanford GSB.3:50–6:30 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Transitioning from Entrepreneurship to Venture Capital Harry asks what brought Alan to VC and asks a follow-up probing whether international venture markets lack Silicon Valley's risk tolerance. Alan politely clarifies that while other ecosystems take risks, they lack the Bay Area's capital density.6:30–9:44 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Evaluating Risk in Seed-Stage Investments Harry prompts Alan on his mental checklist when evaluating seed startups. Alan reframes startup evaluation into technical, execution, and market risks, explaining why XSeed actively seeks high technical risk as a protective moat.9:44–13:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Firm Dynamics and What Founders Should Look For Harry tests industry assumptions by asking whether non-technical co-founders or outsourced product development are dealbreakers. Alan clarifies XSeed's nuanced stance, preferring technical founders while allowing outsourced early prototypes.13:13–15:37 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Strategic Roadmaps and Executing Effective Pivots Harry asks about product roadmaps and when startups should pivot. Alan educates on the mechanics of good pivots driven by side-traction versus bad pivots caused by hitting a wall and testing randomly.15:37–18:43 · Guest disagreement 0/10 Essential Qualities of Top-Tier Venture Capitalists Harry asks Alan for the key traits of great venture capitalists. Alan outlines talent scouting and knowing when to resist selling early, while Harry interjects to ask for the source of a specific quote.18:46–19:57 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Quickfire Questions and Recent Stealth Deal Harry conducts a quickfire round covering industry disruption, seed funding, and the Apple Watch. Alan takes a decisive stance calling the Apple Watch a clear success despite contemporary market skepticism.1:37–3:50 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Alan Chiu's Background and XSeed Capital Overview Harry introduces Alan and prompts him for his personal and professional background. Alan delivers a standard introductory overview of XSeed Capital and his career across Canadian startups and Stanford GSB.3:50–6:30 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Transitioning from Entrepreneurship to Venture Capital Harry asks what brought Alan to VC and asks a follow-up probing whether international venture markets lack Silicon Valley's risk tolerance. Alan politely clarifies that while other ecosystems take risks, they lack the Bay Area's capital density.6:30–9:44 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Evaluating Risk in Seed-Stage Investments Harry prompts Alan on his mental checklist when evaluating seed startups. Alan reframes startup evaluation into technical, execution, and market risks, explaining why XSeed actively seeks high technical risk as a protective moat.9:44–13:13 · Harry pushing back 3/10 Firm Dynamics and What Founders Should Look For Harry tests industry assumptions by asking whether non-technical co-founders or outsourced product development are dealbreakers. Alan clarifies XSeed's nuanced stance, preferring technical founders while allowing outsourced early prototypes.13:13–15:37 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Strategic Roadmaps and Executing Effective Pivots Harry asks about product roadmaps and when startups should pivot. Alan educates on the mechanics of good pivots driven by side-traction versus bad pivots caused by hitting a wall and testing randomly.15:37–18:43 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Essential Qualities of Top-Tier Venture Capitalists Harry asks Alan for the key traits of great venture capitalists. Alan outlines talent scouting and knowing when to resist selling early, while Harry interjects to ask for the source of a specific quote.18:46–19:57 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Quickfire Questions and Recent Stealth Deal Harry conducts a quickfire round covering industry disruption, seed funding, and the Apple Watch. Alan takes a decisive stance calling the Apple Watch a clear success despite contemporary market skepticism.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 60.4% · guest 39.6%0:00 · Harry 60.4% · guest 39.6%3:00 · Harry 10.2% · guest 89.8%3:00 · Harry 10.2% · guest 89.8%6:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%6:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%9:00 · Harry 16.5% · guest 83.5%9:00 · Harry 16.5% · guest 83.5%12:00 · Harry 11% · guest 89%12:00 · Harry 11% · guest 89%15:00 · Harry 19.5% · guest 80.5%15:00 · Harry 19.5% · guest 80.5%18:00 · Harry 41% · guest 59%18:00 · Harry 41% · guest 59%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 7:21 Embracing high technical risk

Alan reframes conventional wisdom around risk, asserting that XSeed actively seeks companies with high technical risk because engineering talent can overcome it to build defensive moats.

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 12:25 Challenging outsourced development

Harry directly challenges Alan on potential investment dealbreakers, asking whether having an outsourced engineering product would put them off investing.

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 14:20 Good pivots versus bad pivots

Alan provides an insightful breakdown educating Harry on why effective pivots originate from accidental side traction rather than panicking after running into a wall.

Harry holds his own ▶ 11:24 Drilling on founder red flags

Harry demonstrates keen industry familiarity by probing specific controversial founder dynamics, such as non-technical co-founders and outsourced engineering teams.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Alan Chiu's Background and XSeed Capital Overview 1100 Harry introduces Alan and prompts him for his personal and professional background. Alan delivers a standard introductory overview of XSeed Capital and his career across Canadian startups and Stanford GSB.
Transitioning from Entrepreneurship to Venture Capital 2201 Harry asks what brought Alan to VC and asks a follow-up probing whether international venture markets lack Silicon Valley's risk tolerance. Alan politely clarifies that while other ecosystems take risks, they lack the Bay Area's capital density.
Evaluating Risk in Seed-Stage Investments 3411 Harry prompts Alan on his mental checklist when evaluating seed startups. Alan reframes startup evaluation into technical, execution, and market risks, explaining why XSeed actively seeks high technical risk as a protective moat.
Firm Dynamics and What Founders Should Look For 4313 Harry tests industry assumptions by asking whether non-technical co-founders or outsourced product development are dealbreakers. Alan clarifies XSeed's nuanced stance, preferring technical founders while allowing outsourced early prototypes.
Strategic Roadmaps and Executing Effective Pivots 3401 Harry asks about product roadmaps and when startups should pivot. Alan educates on the mechanics of good pivots driven by side-traction versus bad pivots caused by hitting a wall and testing randomly.
Essential Qualities of Top-Tier Venture Capitalists 2301 Harry asks Alan for the key traits of great venture capitalists. Alan outlines talent scouting and knowing when to resist selling early, while Harry interjects to ask for the source of a specific quote.
Quickfire Questions and Recent Stealth Deal 2210 Harry conducts a quickfire round covering industry disruption, seed funding, and the Apple Watch. Alan takes a decisive stance calling the Apple Watch a clear success despite contemporary market skepticism.

Statements from this episode (19)

Disclosure
Chiu: XSeed Capital manages $60M second seed fund
“We're currently managing a sixty million dollar fund. It's our second fund, and our investment approach is to build a focused portfolio, spend quality time with each company to help them succeed and get to series A and series B.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 2:15
Insight
Alan Chiu: Stanford's primary advantage is proximity to Silicon Valley capital density
“One of the key factors that sets Stanford apart is, is proximity to Silicon Valley and the San Francisco Bay area in general, and the density of successful technology companies as well as startups that that have been built or, and being built in the area, as w…”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 5:27
Opinion
Alan Chiu: Other startup ecosystems lack Silicon Valley's concentration of risk-tolerant investors
“I would say there are certainly other startup ecosystems in which investors are willing to take a risk on startups, but not at the same level of Intensity, I would say, and it's certainly not nearly the same nearly the same level of concentration of investors.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 6:09
Disclosure
Chiu: XSeed Capital frequently invests before startups have product or revenue
“Given our stage of investment at the seed stage, oftentimes we invest in companies before they have a product or before they have any meaningful revenue.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 7:22
Insight
Chiu: Embracing high technical risk creates stronger startup moats
“We actually like Companies that have a high level of technical risk, because we believe strong engineering talent can overcome technical risks, and if it's actually a difficult technical problem to solve, it means there is a higher barrier to entry for this ma…”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 7:46
Disclosure
Chiu: Market risk is XSeed Capital's primary concern in seed investments
“The third risk is market risk, and this is the biggest risk that we are concerned about.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 8:46
Insight
Chiu: Founders cannot remove investors post-investment, making compatibility critical
“Once you've signed, once an investor has invested in your company, you can't get rid of them. You are based, you're really committed. It's almost like getting married. So you want to look for someone with personal compatibility with you.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 10:33
Insight
Chiu: Technical founders should pick VCs with commercial operating experience
“Let's say you're a technical co-founder, you know a lot about the space you're tackling from a technical standpoint, but you've never run revenue before, you've never managed a sales team before or you need help on the commercial side. Well, you probably want …”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 10:54
Disclosure
Chiu: XSeed Capital prefers investing in startups built on unique technologies
“It's just when it comes to XE's investment focus, we have a preference for companies that are built on unique technologies. So that biases us towards companies that are founded by technical co-founders.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 11:50
Insight
Chiu: Optimal startup founding teams pair technical and commercial co-founders
“But the best Founding teams actually are teams that, that bring together a very strong technical co-founder, as well as a very strong and experienced non-technical commercial co-founder.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 12:02
Insight
Alan Chiu: Tech startups without post-v1 roadmaps get overtaken quickly
“So, how important it is to have a product roadmap, I think, is critical. Because you, in, in the technology space, it, your competitive landscape is extremely dynamic. If you only have enough ideas for the initial version of the product, and then you don't hav…”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 13:33
Insight
Chiu: The best startup pivots follow organic traction on side projects
“The best pivots I've seen are the ones where the founders have noticed that something on the side, outside of their core business, is actually thriving, or might even be growing, getting more traction, more quickly than their core product. And they've been, th…”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 14:31
Insight
Alan Chiu: Randomly testing new ideas after hitting a wall rarely works
“The worst pivots are the ones where the team has come to run into a wall in a core product. They have no idea what to do next. So they start testing randomly, and those pivots rarely pan out, because there's an infinite universe of possibilities to test, but v…”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 15:10
Insight
Chiu: Startup pivots should focus on testing unproven business assumptions
“If things are not going well as well as you expected, go back to your key assumptions underlying your business model, right? Some of the key, one or more of those key assumptions have not been proven out, and that's why things are not going well. So go back to…”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 15:42
Insight
Chiu: Great VCs identify founders balancing strong conviction with adaptability
“One of the things I've observed with great VCs is they are very good at reading entrepreneurs, in picking the entrepreneurs that have the perseverance and the right balance of strong conviction and adaptability. To both pursue the vision with relentless grit, …”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 16:39
Insight
Chiu: VCs act as background talent scouts while founders earn fame
“Being a VC is like a talent scout. The entrepreneurs are the stars, are the talent that you're looking for. You are the scout. You are acting in the background. The stars are going to become famous. You're not going to become famous, but if you're doing a job …”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 17:15
Insight
Chiu: Top VCs hold winning investments past 50X for 1,000X potential
“But some of the best companies We'll have, we'll still have a very exciting growth curve ahead of them, even after these late stage investors have come in. And the greatest VCs know to identify which companies still have a lot of potential and hang on to their…”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 18:10
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Chiu: Long-haul transportation is the next industry ripe for tech disruption
“Long-haul transportation. Because there are a lot of inefficiencies, technology hasn't really deeply penetrated that industry, but with the combination of connected devices and mobile, I think the time is right.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 18:51
Opinion
Chiu: Apple Watch is a success
“Success. I recently spoke with a realtor who has just bought an Apple Watch, and she was singing his praises on how he's changed her life, and making her less dependent on her phone, and leading to much better client interactions.”
Alan Chiu Jun 18, 2015 ▶ 19:18
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