Jun 8, 2015 · 27m · 20vc

20 VC 043: How To Be A VC Analyst and Lessons From Union Square and First Round with Charlie O'Donnell, Founder @ Brooklyn Bridge Venture

Charlie O'Donnell · 20m spoken Harry Stebbings · 4m spoken
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In this episode of The Twenty Minute VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Charlie O'Donnell, founder of Brooklyn Bridge Ventures, to explore breaking into venture capital, managing micro VC funds, and effective deal sourcing strategies.

How this conversation actually went

Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 19.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →

Harry as informed peer 1.5 Guest teaching 4.0 Guest disagreement 2.3 Harry pushing back 0.7
05100:0010:0020:001:55–5:55 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Charlie O'Donnell's Journey into Venture Capital Harry asks broad questions about breaking into VC and internships. Charlie reframes the premise of how students break into VC, explaining that traditional deal-vetting isn't what junior analysts actually offer compared to community building and operational skills.5:55–9:13 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Brooklyn Bridge Ventures and Deal Sourcing Strategy Harry asks straightforward questions about sourcing and value add. Charlie uses self-deprecating humor about having no real skills before walking through his newsletter and blogging strategy.9:14–13:30 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Micro VC Fund Strategy and Fundraising Realities Charlie educates Harry on micro-VC economics, explaining why funds under $40M cannot raise from institutional LPs who require $10M check minimums. He also mocks the ignorance of family offices who ask basic questions before revealing they don't invest in VC.13:31–15:52 · Harry as informed peer 1/10 Key Takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round Harry asks for takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round. Charlie contrasts his role as a young analyst at early USV with leading deals at First Round, explaining structural differences in partner deal volume.15:53–20:55 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Personal Branding and Hardware Startup Investment When Harry asks if Kickstarter has become a pre-VC stage, Charlie bluntly rejects the premise by noting Kickstarter doesn't make investments. Harry pushes back slightly to reframe it as general financing, but Charlie points out most strong hardware teams raise VC prior to pre-sale campaigns.20:55–26:57 · Harry as informed peer 2/10 Quick Fire Round and Recent Investments In the quickfire round, Charlie gently dismantles two of Harry's suggestively framed questions: pivoting Harry's hardware marketing idea to CPG food startup Hungry Root, and explaining why Tinker Garden's curriculum model wouldn't apply to park yoga.1:55–5:55 · Guest teaching 4/10 Charlie O'Donnell's Journey into Venture Capital Harry asks broad questions about breaking into VC and internships. Charlie reframes the premise of how students break into VC, explaining that traditional deal-vetting isn't what junior analysts actually offer compared to community building and operational skills.5:55–9:13 · Guest teaching 2/10 Brooklyn Bridge Ventures and Deal Sourcing Strategy Harry asks straightforward questions about sourcing and value add. Charlie uses self-deprecating humor about having no real skills before walking through his newsletter and blogging strategy.9:14–13:30 · Guest teaching 5/10 Micro VC Fund Strategy and Fundraising Realities Charlie educates Harry on micro-VC economics, explaining why funds under $40M cannot raise from institutional LPs who require $10M check minimums. He also mocks the ignorance of family offices who ask basic questions before revealing they don't invest in VC.13:31–15:52 · Guest teaching 3/10 Key Takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round Harry asks for takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round. Charlie contrasts his role as a young analyst at early USV with leading deals at First Round, explaining structural differences in partner deal volume.15:53–20:55 · Guest teaching 6/10 Personal Branding and Hardware Startup Investment When Harry asks if Kickstarter has become a pre-VC stage, Charlie bluntly rejects the premise by noting Kickstarter doesn't make investments. Harry pushes back slightly to reframe it as general financing, but Charlie points out most strong hardware teams raise VC prior to pre-sale campaigns.20:55–26:57 · Guest teaching 4/10 Quick Fire Round and Recent Investments In the quickfire round, Charlie gently dismantles two of Harry's suggestively framed questions: pivoting Harry's hardware marketing idea to CPG food startup Hungry Root, and explaining why Tinker Garden's curriculum model wouldn't apply to park yoga.1:55–5:55 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Charlie O'Donnell's Journey into Venture Capital Harry asks broad questions about breaking into VC and internships. Charlie reframes the premise of how students break into VC, explaining that traditional deal-vetting isn't what junior analysts actually offer compared to community building and operational skills.5:55–9:13 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Brooklyn Bridge Ventures and Deal Sourcing Strategy Harry asks straightforward questions about sourcing and value add. Charlie uses self-deprecating humor about having no real skills before walking through his newsletter and blogging strategy.9:14–13:30 · Guest disagreement 2/10 Micro VC Fund Strategy and Fundraising Realities Charlie educates Harry on micro-VC economics, explaining why funds under $40M cannot raise from institutional LPs who require $10M check minimums. He also mocks the ignorance of family offices who ask basic questions before revealing they don't invest in VC.13:31–15:52 · Guest disagreement 1/10 Key Takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round Harry asks for takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round. Charlie contrasts his role as a young analyst at early USV with leading deals at First Round, explaining structural differences in partner deal volume.15:53–20:55 · Guest disagreement 5/10 Personal Branding and Hardware Startup Investment When Harry asks if Kickstarter has become a pre-VC stage, Charlie bluntly rejects the premise by noting Kickstarter doesn't make investments. Harry pushes back slightly to reframe it as general financing, but Charlie points out most strong hardware teams raise VC prior to pre-sale campaigns.20:55–26:57 · Guest disagreement 3/10 Quick Fire Round and Recent Investments In the quickfire round, Charlie gently dismantles two of Harry's suggestively framed questions: pivoting Harry's hardware marketing idea to CPG food startup Hungry Root, and explaining why Tinker Garden's curriculum model wouldn't apply to park yoga.1:55–5:55 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Charlie O'Donnell's Journey into Venture Capital Harry asks broad questions about breaking into VC and internships. Charlie reframes the premise of how students break into VC, explaining that traditional deal-vetting isn't what junior analysts actually offer compared to community building and operational skills.5:55–9:13 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Brooklyn Bridge Ventures and Deal Sourcing Strategy Harry asks straightforward questions about sourcing and value add. Charlie uses self-deprecating humor about having no real skills before walking through his newsletter and blogging strategy.9:14–13:30 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Micro VC Fund Strategy and Fundraising Realities Charlie educates Harry on micro-VC economics, explaining why funds under $40M cannot raise from institutional LPs who require $10M check minimums. He also mocks the ignorance of family offices who ask basic questions before revealing they don't invest in VC.13:31–15:52 · Harry pushing back 0/10 Key Takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round Harry asks for takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round. Charlie contrasts his role as a young analyst at early USV with leading deals at First Round, explaining structural differences in partner deal volume.15:53–20:55 · Harry pushing back 2/10 Personal Branding and Hardware Startup Investment When Harry asks if Kickstarter has become a pre-VC stage, Charlie bluntly rejects the premise by noting Kickstarter doesn't make investments. Harry pushes back slightly to reframe it as general financing, but Charlie points out most strong hardware teams raise VC prior to pre-sale campaigns.20:55–26:57 · Harry pushing back 1/10 Quick Fire Round and Recent Investments In the quickfire round, Charlie gently dismantles two of Harry's suggestively framed questions: pivoting Harry's hardware marketing idea to CPG food startup Hungry Root, and explaining why Tinker Garden's curriculum model wouldn't apply to park yoga.

speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)

0:00 · Harry 78.9% · guest 21.1%0:00 · Harry 78.9% · guest 21.1%3:00 · Harry 9.1% · guest 90.9%3:00 · Harry 9.1% · guest 90.9%6:00 · Harry 5% · guest 95%6:00 · Harry 5% · guest 95%9:00 · Harry 11.6% · guest 88.4%9:00 · Harry 11.6% · guest 88.4%12:00 · Harry 8.6% · guest 91.4%12:00 · Harry 8.6% · guest 91.4%15:00 · Harry 11.2% · guest 88.8%15:00 · Harry 11.2% · guest 88.8%18:00 · Harry 7.5% · guest 92.5%18:00 · Harry 7.5% · guest 92.5%21:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%21:00 · Harry 15.9% · guest 84.1%24:00 · Harry 5.8% · guest 94.2%24:00 · Harry 5.8% · guest 94.2%27:00 · Harry 98.5% · guest 1.5%27:00 · Harry 98.5% · guest 1.5%
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 19:55 Blunt rejection of Kickstarter pre-VC framing

Charlie directly shuts down Harry's query asking if Kickstarter is a pre-VC stage with a flat 'Well, they're not making investments, so no, I wouldn't say that.'

Hardest push from Harry ▶ 20:00 Harry pivots to clarify general financing context

After Charlie flatly denies that Kickstarter is pre-VC, Harry immediately pushes back to rescue his point by clarifying 'But just of financing in general.'

Biggest teaching moment ▶ 11:30 Explaining institutional LP ticket size constraints for small funds

Charlie breaks down the mathematical impossibility of sub-$40M funds taking institutional money because institutional LPs require minimum check sizes of $10M.

Harry holds his own ▶ 20:05 Restating the premise around crowdfunding as general financing

Harry re-asserts his core point after Charlie's quick rejection, steering the conversation back to crowdfunding as a functional layer of startup financing.

the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
ChapterTopicHarry as informed peerGuest teachingGuest disagreementHarry pushing backWhy
Charlie O'Donnell's Journey into Venture Capital 1420 Harry asks broad questions about breaking into VC and internships. Charlie reframes the premise of how students break into VC, explaining that traditional deal-vetting isn't what junior analysts actually offer compared to community building and operational skills.
Brooklyn Bridge Ventures and Deal Sourcing Strategy 1210 Harry asks straightforward questions about sourcing and value add. Charlie uses self-deprecating humor about having no real skills before walking through his newsletter and blogging strategy.
Micro VC Fund Strategy and Fundraising Realities 2521 Charlie educates Harry on micro-VC economics, explaining why funds under $40M cannot raise from institutional LPs who require $10M check minimums. He also mocks the ignorance of family offices who ask basic questions before revealing they don't invest in VC.
Key Takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round 1310 Harry asks for takeaways from Union Square Ventures and First Round. Charlie contrasts his role as a young analyst at early USV with leading deals at First Round, explaining structural differences in partner deal volume.
Personal Branding and Hardware Startup Investment 2652 When Harry asks if Kickstarter has become a pre-VC stage, Charlie bluntly rejects the premise by noting Kickstarter doesn't make investments. Harry pushes back slightly to reframe it as general financing, but Charlie points out most strong hardware teams raise VC prior to pre-sale campaigns.
Quick Fire Round and Recent Investments 2431 In the quickfire round, Charlie gently dismantles two of Harry's suggestively framed questions: pivoting Harry's hardware marketing idea to CPG food startup Hungry Root, and explaining why Tinker Garden's curriculum model wouldn't apply to park yoga.

Statements from this episode (14)

Assertion Supported
Charlie O'Donnell sourced First Round's early investments in GroupMe and SinglePlatform
“Prior to founding Brooklyn Bridge Ventures, Charlie was at First Round Capital, where he sourced the firm's first investments in single-platform Sold to Constant Contact, and GroupMe, sold to Skype.”
Harry Stebbings Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 0:20
Assertion Supported
GM Pension Fund has invested in every Accel fund since Accel I
“GM had been an investor in venture funds since the late seventies. They're invested in Excel, for example, all the way on from Excel number one all the way on through.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 3:28
Insight
Short VC internships fail because deal vetting requires thousands of hours
“Being able to vet deals, I think, requires some amount of experience and just, you know, getting your 10,000 hours in looking at looking at startups. So I think it's really hard to just pop in somewhere for a couple of months and expect to be productive.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 4:05
Insight
Aspiring VCs should master recruiting, PR, or customer acquisition
“Anybody who mastered the skill of either recruiting or PR or customer acquisition for startups can leverage that skill at a firm, especially as more and more firms are looking to build platforms that add value.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 5:36
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Brooklyn Bridge Ventures funds pre-seed founders at the PowerPoint stage
“I'm very early, so I'm often the first money in. I've funded Founders with ideas. I've funded PowerPoints. I've funded things coming out of hackathons things before their Indiegogo pre-sale takes off, so.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 7:17
Disclosure
Brooklyn Bridge Ventures is currently investing out of an $8M fund
“The fund that I'm investing in now is a little over eight million dollars.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 9:18
Assertion Partly supported
Raising a venture fund under $40M is difficult due to LP constraints
“Most of the people who are sophisticated enough to invest in venture at any kind of scale are writing checks of ten million dollars. They're not investing in eight or 15 or twenty million dollar funds, and so it's really hard to raise a fund that is less than,…”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 11:51
Disclosure
Charlie O'Donnell was present for USV's Indeed investment and first Etsy meeting
“Although I was there when we invested in indeed and there for the first meeting when we met Rob Kalin and at Etsy.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 14:55
Assertion Supported
USV partners do 1-2 deals yearly versus First Round's 4-5
“And then also they're two different types of firms, too, so the likelihood that you'd get a deal done at USV when each partner's doing one or two deals a year was, Very different than first round when they're doing four or five because they're seed deals.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 15:16
Insight
Crowdfunding pre-sales make early-stage hardware VC investments economically viable
“All these various pre-sale platforms are really making it economically viable for VCs to make early stage investments, because you're not funding the manufacturing, the customers are funding the manufacturing, and so, you know, you, it's a lot easier to swallo…”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 17:59
Assertion Contradicted
No hardware startup on crowdfunding platforms has ever delivered on time
“Well, no one's delivered on time yet in the hardware space, as far as I know”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 18:27
Disclosure
Most of O'Donnell's hardware portfolio raised VC before launching pre-sales
“Three of the four hardware related companies I did raised VC before they went to pre-sale.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 20:12
Prediction Held up
Brooklyn Bridge Ventures' next fund will be $15 million
“Slightly larger. Fifteen million.”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 21:10
Disclosure
Charlie O'Donnell convinced Tinker Garden founders to go full-time before investing
“I'll tell you the one I most recently announced is a company called Tinker Garden, and Tinker Garden was a company that I not only, I can't say I said yes, because the entrepreneur didn't really pitch to me. I sort of convinced themselves, I convinced the entr…”
Charlie O'Donnell Jun 8, 2015 ▶ 25:06
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