Feb 2, 2015 · 15m · 20vc
20 VC 009: Red Flags, Saas and becoming a VC with Joe Floyd
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In this episode of The 20 Minute VC, host Harry Stebbings interviews Joe Floyd, Principal at Emergence Capital Partners, discussing strategies for breaking into venture capital, evaluation criteria for early-stage enterprise SaaS startups, and current tech market trends.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 27.2% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 2.6 Guest teaching 3.2 Guest disagreement 1.4 Harry pushing back 1.8
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 13:38 Asserting existence of a tech bubble
Joe gives a direct 'Yep' when asked if a tech bubble is occurring, forcefully citing 2014 deployment numbers and rich public valuations approaching 2000 dot-com peak levels.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 10:05 Challenging the Four Ts necessityHarry directly probes Joe's framework by asking whether meeting three out of four Ts is satisfactory or if a firm strictly requires all four.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 7:08 Nuances of founder count on exit incentivesJoe educates the host on the counter-intuitive financial friction of multi-founder teams, explaining how split equity can lead to premature exit pressures.
Harry holds his own ▶ 14:51 Proposing Tesla battery supplier pivot thesisHarry demonstrates strategic industry knowledge by asking whether Tesla might cede car manufacturing to legacy OEMs like Audi to focus purely on battery technology.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Joe Floyd's Career Background and Path to VC | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Harry asks standard exploratory questions about Joe's career background and advice for entering venture capital. Joe provides insightful guidance on acquiring concrete skills in banking or tech before pursuing VC, while Harry maintains a purely receptive role. | |
| Key Investment Criteria and Founder Team Dynamics | 2 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Joe outlines investment criteria and founder team dynamics, correcting common assumptions about founder counts by introducing the financial and exit downside of having multiple co-founders. Harry asks simple follow-up questions to keep the narrative moving. | |
| Series A Traction Metrics and the Four Ts Evaluation | 3 | 4 | 2 | 3 | Joe reframes initial pitch evaluation from hunting for red flags to 'dreaming the dream' before detailing his 'Four Ts' framework. Harry offers slight pushback by asking whether a candidate must satisfy all four Ts or if three out of four is sufficient. | |
| Personal Inspiration and Essential Book Recommendations | 2 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Harry prompts Joe for personal inspiration and recommended reading for entrepreneurs. Joe highlights key books like Predictable Revenue and behavioral economics texts in an agreeable, narrative exchange. | |
| Quick Fire Round: Tech Stocks, Bubbles, and Tesla's Future | 4 | 3 | 2 | 3 | During the quick-fire round, Harry demonstrates domain knowledge by asking if Tesla might pivot to become purely a battery supplier while legacy automakers take over vehicle production. Joe evaluates the thesis, noting Tesla's established stake in auto manufacturing while acknowledging the IBM-style pivot logic. |
Statements from this episode (11)
Floyd: Venture capital lacks concrete skills and is just connecting people
“The venture job doesn't really have a lot of concrete skills. It is a job, it's a people job. You're effectively going out, meeting people, and connecting people. Those are the two job functions you have.”
Floyd: Grads should work in banking, consulting, or big tech before VC
“Taking a job like investment banking, or strategic consulting, or working for a big tech company like Google, will provide you the foundational skills, as well as give you that first toehold of a network.”
Floyd: Emergence Capital primarily backs founders from Salesforce, Facebook, Google, Oracle
“If you look at the entrepreneurs that we fund here at Emergence, you know, primarily a lot of them come out of the same few companies. Salesforce, Facebook, Google, Oracle.”
Floyd: Zenefits won by offering free software monetized via insurance commissions
“And I think Zenefits would be a perfect example of that. You know, they're, they get paid from the commission through the insurance broker, so they can give their software away for free. And no one else figured that out. So they had an automatic leg up.”
Floyd: Data shows startups with multiple co-founders have higher success rates
“I think if you look at the data, multiple founders generally increases the likelihood of a positive outcome.”
Floyd: Multiple co-founders increase the likelihood of premature, smaller startup exits
“Now, the flip side is, and this is something that a lot of people don't think about, from an equity perspective, especially from a returns perspective, having more founders makes the outcome less attractive. It also forces people to take earlier exits, because…”
Floyd: VCs in initial pitches search for one reason to invest
“In first meetings, As a venture capitalist, you're trying to dream the dream. Like you, the red flags are everywhere. You could, you can find hundreds of reasons not to make an investment. You have what you're looking for. Yeah. What you're looking for is that…”
Floyd: SaaS startups fail on sales and marketing, not product development
“And I feel like for most SAS companies people, people are capable of building great products now on very little money. And so you get a lot of entrepreneurs who are very product focused, who see needs and they're trying to solve them. And then where they fall …”
Floyd in 2015: Amazon is a long-term buy due to undervalued AWS
“Oh, bye. Long term, it's going to be around for a very long time, and I think, I feel like the whole cloud business is completely under undervalued.”
Floyd: 2014 VC deployment approached 2000 dot-com bubble levels
“If you just look at valuations, and you look at round sizes, and you look at the sheer dollar amount of money raised by venture capitalists and deployed by venture capitalists in 2014, it's approaching the levels we saw in 2000.”
Floyd in 2015: BMW and Audi will catch up to Tesla
“I think what you're going to wind up having is companies like BMW and Audi are going to catch up. Tesla has kind of that one to two Your lead, and, I mean, you see it with companies, with a car like the i-eight coming out. I mean, other car companies are going…”