Sep 4, 2023 · 54m · news
Mudassir Sheikha: The Meeting that Led to $3.1BN Buyout: The Battle Between Uber and Careem | E1056 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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In this episode of the 20VC podcast, host Harry Stebbings interviews Careem founder Mudassir Sheikha about his journey building the Middle East's first tech unicorn, competing with and being acquired by Uber, and pioneering the region's prominent Super App model.
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Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 17.6% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 2.2 Guest teaching 3.4 Guest disagreement 0.8 Harry pushing back 1.9
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 35:57 Refuting the idea that Uber restricted Careem's growth
Sheikha directly pushes back on Stebbings' suggestion that selling to Uber cut Careem off at the knees, insisting that Uber and Dara Khosrowshahi have been incredible partners.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 6:28 Stebbings challenging Pakistan's investment viabilityStebbings aggressively challenges Sheikha's optimism about investing in Pakistan, citing cultural jealousy, political instability, and currency risk.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 47:28 Unit economics breakdown of Super App retentionSheikha breaks down the exact retention mathematics (60-70% monthly customer retention) that force Super Apps into unsustainable re-acquisition loops.
Harry holds his own ▶ 6:28 Stebbings framing macroeconomic and social barriers in PakistanStebbings demonstrates deep ecosystem awareness by outlining distinct structural, financial, and cultural headwinds that hinder venture returns in emerging markets.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Creative Thinking and Localized Products | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Stebbings opens with a general psychological inquiry into what Sheikha is running from. Sheikha describes growing up in Karachi and reframes his motivation as wanting to eliminate daily friction in people's lives. | |
| The Inspiring Origin of Careem | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | Sheikha details the founding story of Careem, contrasting Sweden's ability to produce global companies with Pakistan's lack of institutional scale. Stebbings listens without interjecting or offering technical pushback. | |
| Understanding Regional Constraints to Business Growth | 5 | 5 | 3 | 6 | Stebbings forcefully challenges the viability of investing in Pakistan, citing systemic envy, political volatility, and currency risk. Sheikha counters by arguing that severe daily friction leaves massive uncontested opportunities for local startups. | |
| Embracing Passion and Purpose in Business | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Stebbings asks whether an analytical consulting approach lacks romantic founder passion. Sheikha clarifies that Careem's overarching purpose generated strong organizational passion and resilience. | |
| Finding Early Product-Market Fit | 2 | 3 | 0 | 2 | Stebbings asks about early product-market fit and prompts Sheikha to reveal a major failure. Sheikha details a flopped SaaS offering intended for enterprise limousine fleets. | |
| Knowing When to Stick with a Problem | 2 | 2 | 1 | 3 | Stebbings pushes on whether stubborn persistence is actually healthy for a startup. Sheikha acknowledges the trade-offs between valuable cross-domain learnings and lingering organizational debt. | |
| Viral Marketing Stunts on a Budget | 2 | 4 | 0 | 1 | Sheikha explains how localized product features like cash payments and call centers allowed Careem to beat Uber in Saudi Arabia despite being outfunded. Stebbings asks for actionable advice for outgunned founders. | |
| Pitching Against Tech Behemoths | 2 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Stebbings asks how to pitch investors who fear giant tech incumbents. Sheikha outlines their core arguments surrounding local agility and strategic government joint ventures. | |
| Raising Tough Rounds and Trusted Loans | 1 | 4 | 0 | 1 | Sheikha recounts a dramatic funding crunch where an investor personally wired $1 million in unsecured funds without signed legal agreements. Stebbings listens attentively to the story. | |
| Stressful Board Dynamics During the Sale | 2 | 3 | 1 | 1 | Stebbings asks about internal board conflicts during the buyout process. Sheikha shares lessons on board management, emphasizing the need for an independent chairperson. | |
| Meeting Dara Khosrowshahi and Negotiating the Deal | 2 | 3 | 0 | 1 | Sheikha describes his initial meeting with Dara Khosrowshahi and the structural guarantees that allowed Careem to operate independently post-acquisition. | |
| Surviving COVID and Pivoting to the Super App | 2 | 4 | 1 | 2 | Stebbings asks about reasons not to sell to Uber. Sheikha recounts the emotional internal resistance, quoting an executive who viewed the deal as emotionally devastating despite financial gains. | |
| Spin-out Success and Working with Dara | 2 | 4 | 2 | 2 | Sheikha rejects Stebbings' premise that selling to Uber stunted Careem's potential, highlighting Uber's support for their recent spin-out while expressing regret over driver exit compensation. | |
| Demystifying the Work-Life Balance Rumors | 2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Stebbings asks about a rumor regarding extreme work hours and a four-hour sleep schedule. Sheikha lightheartedly addresses the rumor while praising his wife's support. | |
| A Responsibility-Driven Relationship with Wealth | 2 | 3 | 0 | 1 | Stebbings directly asks for financial numbers on millionaire creation. Sheikha confirms that the acquisition created 75 USD millionaires and over 300 local currency millionaires. | |
| Overcoming Regional Fragmentation | 2 | 5 | 0 | 1 | Sheikha delivers a detailed analogy comparing Middle Eastern cross-border scaling friction to needing separate legal and payment setups for every individual state in the US. | |
| Regional Financial Markets and Local IPO Alternatives | 4 | 5 | 2 | 4 | Stebbings challenges the Super App model given its historical failure outside Asia. Sheikha educates Stebbings on how standard 60-70% monthly retention forces an unsustainable re-acquisition spending treadmill. | |
| The Quickfire Round: Personal Reflections and Future Vision | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | During the quickfire round, Stebbings jokes about Sheikha's modest interior decorating expense compared to American tech founders buying private jets post-exit. |
Statements from this episode (31)
Sheikha: Living in Karachi involves daily friction with water and power
“If you've been to Karachi, you know that life is full of friction, a lot of daily challenges basic things like water, power safety.”
Sheikha: Pakistan Had Only One Non-State Billion-Dollar Company in 2011
“At that time, in 2011, there was only one company outside of the National Gas Company and the National Oil Company that was worth more than a billion dollars.”
Sheikha: Careem originally launched as a corporate car service
“It was started as a corporate car service before it became a ride-hailing service and before it became a lot more than ride-hailing.”
Sheikha: Emerging market graduates choose multinationals over entrepreneurship
“A lot of people, talented people, when they graduate from college, they aspire to join multinationals or leave the country and join companies outside. They don't necessarily aspire to become entrepreneurs.”
Sheikha: Lack of global and local competition creates massive startup opportunities in Pakistan
“Man, local businesses have done really, really well historically because they don't get a lot of competition outside, and even inside, you know, the competition that you get is generally not as formidable.”
Careem generated profits from corporate clients before raising VC
“We went after corporates, which was our initial business to begin with, but we made sure that they were getting the right quality of service, the right levels of reliability that ended up becoming a huge source of revenue and profits in the early days before w…”
Sheikha: Careem's B2B SaaS offering flopped because Careem wasn't built for SaaS
“We spent a lot of time building it. We spent a lot of time trying to sell it. We, in fact, even had one large demo company to buy sign up, but that was a miserable flock because we were just not designed to be a SaaS company.”
Sheikha: Low-margin platforms must stay frugal to avoid overtaxing drivers
“We're in a very low margin business. And since we're low margin, we don't want to tax our captains with very high margins. We just need to be super, super frugal as a platform so that we can be as efficient as possible.”
Sheikha: Elon Musk tweeted Careem's viral Dubai slingshot video
“I think Elon Musk Tweeted that as well.”
Sheikha: Careem's Fake Slingshot Video Generated Tens of Millions in Publicity
“And we ended up creating tens of millions of dollars of publicity to a very simple video.”
Careem Outcompeted Uber in Saudi Arabia by Enabling Cash Payments
“Early in Saudi Saudi Arabia, which is of course the largest market in the region not many people at that time had credit cards, or even if they had credit cards, they were not able to use credit cards, and people just preferred paying in cash. So this was some…”
Careem established a joint venture with the Dubai government for taxi dispatching
“We have a joint venture with the Dubai government that dispatches taxis.”
Careem Investor Wired $1M From Personal Account Before Signing Paperwork
“So I call our lead investor for that round and I say, Abdullah, this thing is taking a lot longer to close. We're out of money. We've already put our savings into the business. And he's like, how much money do you need? I said half a million dollars. He's like…”
Sheikha: Careem's Board Was Deeply Divided Over the $3.1B Uber Acquisition
“And it was a contentious process where there were some investors that wanted to sell and there were others that didn't want to sell. And it ended up creating a big divide in the port that made things quite challenging.”
Sheikha: Proactive board relationship building would have helped during Careem deal
“We were just so busy running the business, Harry, that we didn't spend a lot of time with our board, other than maybe a few people here and there. We could have been More proactive in building relationships, building trust. That would have then created currenc…”
Sheikha: Appoint a respected board chairman to manage investor dynamics
“But then one concrete learning for me was let's have a chairman of the board that can help us manage the rest of the board. Because it takes time, as you know, and if we can get someone that is well respected by everyone, that has got the time and the ability …”
Careem Employees Refused to Wear Black Due to Intense Uber Rivalry
“Was heading a company whose name was a four letter word at Karim. There were people at Karim that would not wear black because that color was black.”
Dara Khosrowshahi Promised Careem Autonomy to Finalize $3.1B Uber Acquisition
“The thing that really made it happen at the end was Dara saying that you guys can continue, continue pushing your purpose, keep your culture, keep your org. I'm just going to replace your shareholders and become a better shareholder.”
Careem's business dropped 90% during early COVID pandemic
“I think a few months after we closed the deal, COVID happened, and as you expected our business was down 90%.”
Careem offers over 20 services in Dubai
“And today, if you come to Dubai, we have 20 plus services all the way from ride healing to food delivery, to grocery delivery, to home cleaning, to laundry, to payments.”
Sheikha: Careem founders feared Uber acquisition would erase company culture
“We felt that it would be a shame to lose such a unique and special start to a competitor who's most likely going to merge it eventually, and the Korean brand, and the Korean purpose, and the Korean culture will disappear.”
Careem completed a corporate spin-out with regional investors and Uber
“We have done a spin out thanks to their help with some regional investors on board now.”
Sheikha Regrets $3.1B Uber Deal Didn't Financially Benefit Careem's Drivers
“I wish we could have done more for our captains. As a part of the exit process. You know, Kareem was built by these captains and we are close to many of them. And if I look at them today, they're still doing what they were doing 10 years ago. And that saddens …”
Mudassir Sheikha says his only friends are his coworkers
“The only friends I have, generally, are the people that I work with. You know, since I don't stay in touch or don't have the time to stay in touch with others, I lose that connection over time.”
Sheikha: Finding the right spouse is 80% of executive parenting
“You know, marry well. I think that's 80% of the problem is just finding the right person to marry.”
Sheikha: Lifestyle hasn't changed after $3.1B Careem exit
“My lifestyle hasn't changed too much. I'm still living in the same house that we lived before, largely driving similar cars, travel similarly, and so on and so forth. So we haven't done Too many changes in our life.”
Careem's $3.1B Uber Acquisition Created 75 USD Millionaires Among Employees
“I think in dollar terms, there were 75 millionaires. In that term, there were, I think, 300 plus.”
Careem is building a Super App abstraction layer for regional startups
“And through the super app, we're trying to create an abstraction layer where people can build their business, all our super app, and the super app since operates in all the different markets, we have built the underlying infrastructure. They can benefit from t…”
Sheikha: Middle East Stock Exchanges Will Resolve Regional Tech IPO Constraints
“You can see a line of sight to that problem being solved. I think in Dubai, in Abu Dhabi, in Saudi, there are local and regional exchanges that are open for business. Some ideas have happened already and inshallah more will happen. So I feel that over time tha…”