Sep 25, 2023 · 29m · news
Marc Benioff: The Future of San Francisco and What He Would Do if in Charge | E1064 · 20VC with Harry Stebbings
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In this episode of 20VC, host Harry Stebbings sits down with Salesforce Chair and CEO Marc Benioff to discuss the future of AI, his strategies for revitalizing San Francisco, and the leadership and philanthropic principles that guide his continuous success.
How this conversation actually went
Every chapter scored 0–10 on four independent dynamics. Hover any point for the reasoning behind the score. Harry holds 17.1% of the talking time here. How this is scored →
Harry as informed peer 1.6 Guest teaching 2.4 Guest disagreement 1.7 Harry pushing back 1.9
speaking balance: gold is Harry, purple is the guest (3 minute bins)
Sharpest disagreement ▶ 18:50 Calling Out PR Team Constraints
Benioff explicitly cuts off Stebbings to reject PR constraints, telling him that everything is on the table and that he shouldn't listen to his communications team.
Hardest push from Harry ▶ 16:52 Challenging Work-from-Home PreferenceStebbings forcefully interjects with 'fuck it' to push back against employees wanting to work from home, contrasting his own strict in-office requirement against guest preferences.
Biggest teaching moment ▶ 9:41 Contrasting Host's Age with Executive MaturityBenioff asks Stebbings his age and directly contrasts Stebbings' 27 years with his own experience as an Oracle Senior VP at 27 to instruct him on leadership development.
Harry holds his own ▶ 15:06 Citing 50 Billionaire Interviews on ParentingStebbings demonstrates preparation and authority by citing data from 50 previous billionaire interviews to challenge Benioff on the difficulty of raising grounded children in wealth.
the scores for every segment, with the reasoning behind each
| Chapter | Topic | Harry as informed peer | Guest teaching | Guest disagreement | Harry pushing back | Why |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Salesforce's AI Edge: Geography, Data, and Trust | 2 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Stebbings asks direct questions about hurdles and addresses rumors regarding Benioff living in Hawaii instead of San Francisco. Benioff firmly reframes his lifestyle as dynamic rather than static and forcefully dismisses political 'doom loop' narratives about San Francisco. | |
| A Ten-Point Plan for San Francisco's Governance | 2 | 2 | 1 | 3 | Stebbings interrupts to press Benioff on his actual plan for San Francisco and later re-focuses a question on breaking a sweat for Salesforce after Benioff pivots to discussing Matthew McConaughey. Benioff remains affable and praises his close friendship with McConaughey. | |
| Passions of Youth: Software and Early Philanthropy | 1 | 4 | 1 | 1 | Benioff asks Stebbings his age (27) and uses it to contrast with his own early career as a VP at Oracle, giving an extended explanation of his V2MOM framework. Stebbings mostly listens as Benioff delivers a monologue on personal development and corporate focus. | |
| Mindfulness, Meditation, and Managing Personal Priorities | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Stebbings asks reflective personal questions regarding life balance and relationship to money. Benioff gently explains that money cannot bring happiness, describing his extensive philanthropic efforts as a source of personal fulfillment. | |
| Parenting advice: Raising Tenacious Children | 3 | 3 | 2 | 4 | Stebbings brings empirical insight from interviewing 50 billionaires regarding child-rearing and directly challenges remote work culture. Benioff deflects the parenting question to his mother and defends hybrid work flexibility across different roles. | |
| Quick-Fire: Great Fatherhood, Insecurities, and Spirituality | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | When Stebbings mentions negotiating topics with Benioff's PR team, Benioff forcefully interjects to say Stebbings should ignore the team as nothing is off-limits. The conversation then transitions into rapid-fire personal questions on fatherhood and spirituality. | |
| Quick-Fire: Dinner Guests, Elon vs. Zuck, and Routines | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Stebbings runs through lighthearted quick-fire topics including dream dinner guests, daily routines, and a hypothetical fight between Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg. Benioff candidly offers his view that Zuckerberg would win due to Musk's medical conditions. | |
| Defining Moments: Scaled Giving and the 1-1-1 Model | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | Stebbings asks about key highlights and the hurdles of effective giving. Benioff reflects warmly on establishing the 1-1-1 philanthropy model at Salesforce's inception. | |
| Favorite Footwear & Dreamforce's Future in San Francisco | 2 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Stebbings inquires about footwear preferences, the future location of Dreamforce, and Salesforce's 10-year AI roadmap. Benioff discusses threatening city leaders to clean up San Francisco and provides a detailed breakdown of Salesforce's AI metadata platform. |
Statements from this episode (21)
Benioff: Salesforce has become the number one enterprise AI platform
“And that's kind of how we became the number one enterprise AI today.”
Benioff: The next AI wave will be autonomous agents leading to AGI
“And then we've got another big wave coming very, very close. Which is going to be autonomous and agents. And then of course we'll get to AGI.”
Benioff: San Francisco is the world's top AI city
“We're in San Francisco, which is the number one AI city in the world. That's where all the talent is and all the great startups and companies”
Benioff: Salesforce built the first AI operating without seeing customer data
“We were really the first AI that was built where it was able to operate on the data without us seeing the data.”
Marc Benioff splits his time equally between SF and Hawaii
“I've always lived half and half, back and forth.”
Salesforce subleased 250,000 square feet in SF to a year-old startup
“We just subleased a quarter million square feet of space in one of our buildings, the former Slack headquarters. To a company that didn't exist a year ago”
Benioff: San Francisco real estate will be sold out again
“I think that San Francisco real estate will certainly be sold out again because of the huge amount of startups that are happening in San Francisco”
Benioff: San Francisco police staffing fell from 2,000 to 1,400 officers
“From the time that Gavin Newsom was mayor to today, we've gone from a little over 2000 cops on the streets in San Francisco now to about 1400.”
Benioff: San Francisco is the safest and cleanest city in the world
“It's the most beautiful city in the world, and the safest, and the cleanest, and we have the statistics to prove it”
Benioff: Matthew McConaughey would make a great mayor, governor, or president
“That's why I think he'd be a very good, a mayor, or a governor, or even a president, because He's a get it done person.”
Benioff: The five questions to answer before starting any project
“So what do I want? What's important about it? How do I get it? What is preventing me from having it? And how will I know that I have it? And those five questions really are guiding me.”
Benioff has personally donated over $1 billion to philanthropic causes
“I've given away more than a billion dollars to all kinds of organizations, mostly in San Francisco, mostly our university, mostly UCSF.”
Benioff: Salesforce engineers are only required in-office 10 days per quarter
“Our engineers only have to come in the office 10 days a quarter.”
Benioff has worked mostly from home his entire life
“I work mostly at home. I have for my entire life. I just have never been able to work well and be successful in an office.”
Benioff: Salesforce expects sales, marketing, and G&A staff in-office three days weekly
“I think that for our sales and marketing people, We tell them that four days a week we want to see them, you know, in person with a customer. For our sales and for our marketing people and our G&A people, we like to see them in person three days a week.”
Benioff: Elon Musk has medical conditions preventing a cage match win
“I would say I know Elon much more than I know Mark, and it seems like Mark is training really exhaustively, and I think Elon has, I won't go into it because it's not appropriate, medical conditions that would prevent him from winning any kind of match.”
Benioff: Salesforce is San Francisco's largest philanthropist, donating $250M+
“Salesforce is now San Francisco's largest philanthropist. And we've given more than a hundred million dollars to the children's hospital and more than a hundred and fifty million dollars to the public schools.”
Benioff: Salesforce pledged 1% equity, product, and time at founding
“When we started Salesforce, 25 years ago, we put one percent of our equity, one percent of our product and all of our employees time, one percent of our employees time into a foundation.”
Benioff's 1t.org aims to sequester 200 gigatons of carbon
“I have a program called OneT.org, the Trillion Tree Program, trying to sequester 200 gigatons of carbon with a trillion trees.”
Benioff: Salesforce threatened to pull Dreamforce until San Francisco leaders delivered
“I mean, I had to kind of lay down the gauntlet. You probably saw that. I had to threaten the city and all the leaders and say, if you guys don't get your act together, we're not coming back, and They delivered.”
Benioff: Salesforce team, not CEO, will decide Dreamforce's future in SF
“I'm allowing my team to make the decision. We have a new CMO who. You know, move the Oracle conference out of San Francisco and moved it to Vegas. So it's definitely on his mind that that's a real possibility. I'm going to obviously advocate for San Francisco,…”
Shorts cut from this episode
▶ How Salesforce is leading the way in AI 🤖 · 20VC with Harry (@1:50)
▶ Salesforce CEO: Remote Work vs. In-Person · 20VC with Harry (@17:17)
▶ Marc Benioff's Simple Method To Boost Happiness · 20VC with (@16:21)
▶ Salesforce: The most underrated company in AI · 20VC with Ha (@1:50)
▶ Marc Benioff's Morning Routine 🥞🏋️♂️ · 20VC with Harry St (@21:52)
▶ Salesforce CEO predicts winner of Elon vs Zuckerberg 🥊 · 20 (@21:24)
▶ “I had to threaten the SF government” 😱 -- Salesforce CEO M (@26:01)
▶ Billionaire Marc Benioff’s Simple Plan to Fix Crime in San F (@5:05)