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Assertion Supported
Ather's auto hill-hold feature lasts 10 minutes while Ola's lasts one
“The way we implemented and the way Ola implemented I think Ola's same capability would last a much shorter time. So if you engage this hill hole feature on a steep slope after a minute or so, the motor would be like, okay, now I can't support this. It'll start…”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:34:21 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
EV usage and buying patterns are identical across Indian city tiers
“I think tier one daily usage is 31 kilometers, tier two is like, 32, tier three is like, 29. There is no meaningful difference of usage, daily usage. There is no meaningful difference of buying patterns. Tier one, tier two, tier three.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 1:48:53 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Tarun Mehta: Ather's charging connector is India's national standard
“Charging standard has become the national standard.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:00:24 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mehta: Viable cell manufacturing in India requires at least 4,000-5,000 crore investment
“The challenge of setting up cell manufacturing in India for a while now has been demanding. And the minimum investment required is pretty high. Like if you're not putting, if you're not bringing four, 5000 crores to the table, practically, it'll be very diffic…”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:05:11 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Mehta: Ather projects 8-10 year battery pack life, rivals will struggle past 5
“So for example, our oldest battery packs are now five years in the field. And we have, they are still at 90% plus health, which means we are now internally starting to project eight to 10 year battery life. We know in the industry that I think most of our comp…”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:17:24 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Contradicted
Mehta: Ather has the world's largest electric two-wheeler R&D team
“Yes, that's why I said it's the world's largest R&D for two wheelers, electric two wheelers.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:43:57 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Every EV subscription startup quietly pivoted into an auto-financing company
“Every company who's talked about cracking subscription, quickly, quietly became a financing company. Everybody.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 3:06:28 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Mehta: Electric scooters emit 40% less than petrol scooters on current grid
“In scooters at least, our math was, it is. It is 40% less emission than a petrol scooter. You're at least reducing emission to 40%. Even if the grid does not become greener at all.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 41:24 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Tarun Mehta: Ather operates India's largest two-wheeler fast-charging network
“Actually in two wheelers, it's the largest fast charging network in the country.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 1:57:35 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Prediction Didn’t hold up
Tarun Mehta: Ather will reach 1,000 touchpoints within 2.5 years
“We'll go from 200 touch points to a thousand touch points in the next two and a half years. At which point you've crossed oil and field scale already.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:02:32 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Partly supported
Mehta: Giant battery cell makers operate at thin 4-6% PAT margins
“Most cell manufacturing companies, the really enormous ones, like LG Chem, Panasonic, all these guys, even in the best times that they made cells and sold cells, had like crazy ability to sell price at any point. They can sell at any price, like last year basi…”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:05:57 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Prediction Not checkable as stated
Mehta: Indian EV battery recycling will have guaranteed demand in 10-15 years
“So you set up recycling. I think it is such a stable business. It's two fifty million vehicles going to go to three fifty million vehicles and annually out of that three, thirty million is going to come back. And 1015 years later, a very large chunk of that wi…”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:30:47 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Mehta: Ather is the only EV player without fast-charging restrictions
“For example, right now we are the only player where we don't put any restriction on fast charging. So we tell our customers, if you want to fast charge practically every day, be my guest, right?”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:19:11 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Mehta: No Indian electric two-wheeler OEM uses liquid cooling due to costs
“Yeah, but none of us in India does liquid cooling for a two-wheeler. Crazy cost structure. Doesn't make sense today.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:20:16 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Prediction Partly held up
Mehta: Carbon Tax Is Headed to India
“I'm almost certain a carbon tax is headed our way in India.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:58:06 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
Mehta: Ather Energy's first patent was for a swappable battery pack
“The first patent we filed at Aether was a swappable battery pack.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 1:28:42 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Supported
The raw material inside a 4 kWh EV battery costs $240
“Just the material alone in a typical four kilowatt battery pack is about 240 dollars today. About 60 dollars a kilowatt. This is the raw material inside.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:28:13 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
Assertion Not checkable as stated
Mehta: Batteries represent approximately 35% of electric scooter cost
“Batteries, I can't give the exact numbers, but in percentage, generally about 35% is a good estimate.”
Tarun Mehta Dec 10, 2023 ▶ 2:38:43 Ep# 14 | WTF is Happening with EV? Nikhil ft. Founders of Reva, Ather, Blusmart, and Ossus · Nikhil Kamath
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